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Post by MDDad on Aug 7, 2020 10:07:15 GMT -8
Hydroxychloroquine has been FDA-approved for 65 years, and it's estimated it has been used well over a billion times to treat a host of diseases. It's safety is well established and should no longer me open to debate, so the only issue is its effectiveness in treating COVID. There is a mountain of anecdotal evidence, primarily from Europe where it has been widely used as a COVID medication on thousands of patients, that indicate it is an effective treatment if used early in the course of the disease. The only thing missing is the formal, by-the-book clinical trials that would confirm those findings.
Sometimes evidence isn't formal. If the European experience of success is real and HCQ is indeed effective, it seems foolish to not allow its use domestically if a physician and his patient privately agree to try it. If the European evidence turns out to be incorrect, what is the harm done if a medication proven to be safe for 65 years turns out not to work? There seems to be lot of potential upside benefit with virtually no downside risk.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 7, 2020 10:09:50 GMT -8
Yes I agree with Dr. Fauci, the CDC, Luca, and thousands of doctors around the world who think it's a better idea to wait until there's actual evidence the drug is efficacious. In short, I prefer science over social media. Dr. Risch published his findings on Hydroxycholoroquine in the American Journal of Epidemiology. That's science. Excellent, that's what I was talking about. Kudos on correctly recognizing science.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 7, 2020 10:13:22 GMT -8
Hydroxychloroquine has been FDA-approved for 65 years, and it's estimated it has been used well over a billion times to treat a host of diseases. It's safety is well established and should no longer me open to debate, so the only issue is its effectiveness in treating COVID. There is a mountain of anecdotal evidence, primarily from Europe where it has been widely used as a COVID medication on thousands of patients, that indicate it is an effective treatment if used early in the course of the disease. The only thing missing is the formal, by-the-book clinical trials that would confirm those findings. Sometimes evidence isn't formal. If the European experience of success is real and HCQ is indeed effective, it seems foolish to not allow its use domestically if a physician and his patient privately agree to try it. If the European evidence turns out to be incorrect, what is the harm done if a medication proven to be safe for 65 years turns out not to work? There seems to be lot of potential upside benefit with virtually no downside risk. Well apparently there was some concern early on that if there was widespread use of the drug to "possibly" treat Covid-19 there would be a shortage of the drug for those who need it to treat conditions for which its efficacy isn't in question.
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Post by thefrog on Aug 7, 2020 10:33:42 GMT -8
You realize Luca just posted about not wearing a mask in a store, right? You realize it's possible to agree with someone's position on an issue but not agree with everything that person believes...right? In the context of what you said, you would be agreeing with Luca’s view on masks.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 7, 2020 10:38:29 GMT -8
No, I wouldn't. Your assumption is flawed if that's your conclusion.
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 7, 2020 11:10:15 GMT -8
Yes you would, if we are using the English language & logic to determine it.
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Post by Credo on Jan 28, 2021 21:20:25 GMT -8
Fauci, the Democrats, and the entire Left-leaning medical and media establishment lied to the public for months about the efficacy of HCQ, allowing untold thousands to die needlessly--all because Donald Trump touted it, and they couldn't admit that was 100% right about it all along. Pure evil.
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Post by Bick on Jun 10, 2021 5:46:54 GMT -8
Seems like more and more reports about the the effectiveness of the early treatment of covid using hydro & ivermectin are coming to the forefront.
How was THIS blocked by so many, but EUA driven vaccines are OK?
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Post by MDDad on Jun 10, 2021 6:16:45 GMT -8
The survival rate without those treatments is about 99%. So with them the survival rate triples to 297%? How is that mathematically possible?
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Post by davidsf on Jun 10, 2021 6:48:09 GMT -8
The survival rate without those treatments is about 99%. So with them the survival rate triples to 297%? How is that mathematically possible? Because that brief snippet did not tell the whole story. the study was done on those who have been hospitalized with COVID. It found, when ventilated patients with a severe version of COVID were given high doses of hydroxychloroquine with zinc, their survival rates could increase dramatically.
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Post by billb on Jun 10, 2021 11:24:42 GMT -8
The only way to get an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccine is if there are no viable treatments. The treatments had to be shunned.
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Post by Bick on Jun 11, 2021 6:30:57 GMT -8
The only way to get an emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccine is if there are no viable treatments. The treatments had to be shunned. If memory serves, Trump was initially pushing for the use of Hydro / Zinc. Wasn't it he that signed off on the EUA?
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Post by billb on Jun 11, 2021 23:32:13 GMT -8
If something else worked, then why EAU the vaccine? BTW: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Use_AuthorizationThere was a ton of money spent on vaccine R&D. They have been trying to get an mRNA vaccine approved for years. Can you imagine all of that vaccine going to waste? They needed to use it.
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Post by billb on Jun 11, 2021 23:43:43 GMT -8
Oh wait, maybe it is a viable treatment: Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate by almost three times A new study shows that the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine touted by former President Donald Trump increased the survival rate of severely ill coronavirus patients. news.yahoo.com/study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-treatments-210300816.htmlInterestingly, I read three articles in Wikipedia about the subject, but none of them sited the above study. They were all unsubstantiated rants like this one: On 24 April 2020, citing the risk of "serious heart rhythm problems", the FDA posted a caution against using the drug for COVID‑19 "outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial". On 15 June, the FDA revoked its emergency use authorization, stating that it was "no longer reasonable to believe" that the drug was effective against COVID-19 or that its benefits outweighed "known and potential risks".
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Post by billb on Jun 13, 2021 22:00:06 GMT -8
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