RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 19, 2020 15:26:12 GMT -8
I have noticed there seems to be 4 different groups in play:
a) The Authoritarians;
b) The Useful Idiots;
c) The Passive Observers;
d) The Aggressive Resistors
The Authoritarians are using this crisis to flex their power, gain more power or change the culture in a manner that benefits them. The Useful Idiots follow & assist the authoritarians, not because they agree with the agenda, but out of fear of what they have been told by the media. The largest group is the Passive Observers, normal people trying to live their life and not wanting to be a problem to others. Lastly, the Aggressive Resistors are those who believe the actions being taken are not correct and are willing to be loud enough to be heard.
The key is the Passive Observers. What they decide based on what they hear from the other sides will be the direction the country ends up going. The Aggressive Resistors need their support and there are too many of them for the Authoritarians to overwhelm with force.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Apr 20, 2020 9:59:19 GMT -8
I see a 2nd Amendment solution to these police state encroachments on 4th Amendment protections.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 20, 2020 10:54:28 GMT -8
Rumors circulating and at least one article (from Brietbart, of course) asserting how Jeff Zuckernerg considers announcements of COVID lockdown protests to be domestic terrorism, so Facebook is finding the announcements and deleting them.
Don’t know if it is true or not (PJ Media also carries the story), but if so, the easy way to beat their search algorithm is to make the announcement a photo (or a screen capture) and post it without comment.
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Post by Credo on Apr 20, 2020 11:12:18 GMT -8
Rumors circulating and at least one article (from Brietbart, of course) asserting how Jeff Zuckernerg considers announcements of COVID lockdown protests to be domestic terrorism, so Facebook is finding the announcements and deleting them. Don’t know if it is true or not (PJ Media also carries the story), but if so, the easy way to beat their search algorithm is to make the announcement a photo (or a screen capture) and post it without comment. But, of course, three+ years of #Resistance to the constitutionally elected President is perfectly acceptable.  To call these Lefties hypocrites would be an insult to genuine hypocrisy. |
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Post by Credo on Apr 20, 2020 11:28:54 GMT -8
Rumors circulating and at least one article (from Brietbart, of course) asserting how Jeff Zuckernerg considers announcements of COVID lockdown protests to be domestic terrorism, so Facebook is finding the announcements and deleting them. Don’t know if it is true or not (PJ Media also carries the story), but if so, the easy way to beat their search algorithm is to make the announcement a photo (or a screen capture) and post it without comment. Here's Mark Zuckerberg confirming Facebook censorship. My questions: 1. Who the hell is Mark Zuckerberg to decree what is "harmful misinformation" about a virus that the scientists don't even seem to understand? 2. Protests against violations of the Constitution have nothing to do with the (debated) science of COVID-19. By definition they cannot be considered to fall under his Orwellian dictum of "harmful disinformation." What these little tyrants fear and hate--as all have done throughout history--is freedom, the refusal to follow the dictates of the presumed betters of society. If there is any upside to this whole epidemic it is that these enemies of freedom have been unmasked beyond a shadow of a doubt. They should never be listed to again. |
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 20, 2020 12:27:19 GMT -8
He's the owner of a privately owned website and he can "censor' whatever it pleases him to censor. You do understand that you have no right to free speech on Facebook, Twitter or any other website including this one...right?
You call someone who exercises their private property rights an "enemy of freedom"? What are you, a socialist?
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RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 20, 2020 20:26:20 GMT -8
VP, I would say the problem isn't Zuckerbergs choice to censor, but his choice to selectively censor. He has every right to do that of course, but it brings into question the reason why his product exists.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 20, 2020 23:21:47 GMT -8
What these little tyrants fear and hate--as all have done throughout history--is freedom, the refusal to follow the dictates of the presumed betters of society. If there is any upside to this whole epidemic it is that these enemies of freedom have been unmasked beyond a shadow of a doubt. They should never be listed to again. The media, these enemies of freedom have been unmasked for years know yet the unmasking hasn't been noticed by half the population. |
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 21, 2020 3:17:09 GMT -8
Indeed. But instead of questioning your conclusions about the media and their motives you just assume that half the population is too stupid, or too liberal, too socialist, or just an "enemy of freedom". How stupid is that.
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 21, 2020 3:21:21 GMT -8
Well, regardless of his censorial behavior you'll have to decide whether or not to use his product as is.
When it comes to censorship people are usually ok with it as long as it's the other guy being censored.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 21, 2020 6:29:23 GMT -8
What these little tyrants fear and hate--as all have done throughout history--is freedom, the refusal to follow the dictates of the presumed betters of society. If there is any upside to this whole epidemic it is that these enemies of freedom have been unmasked beyond a shadow of a doubt. They should never be listed to again. The media, these enemies of freedom have been unmasked for years know yet the unmasking hasn't been noticed by half the population. This, in my opinion, is a pillar on which “progressive” ideology rests. for some time, even reaching back behind my stellar career at TOB, it has been my observation that democrats and liberals, now “progressives,” rely on the rest of us (or a large portion of us) not realizing what is going on. Back when Harry Reid was the grand (im)potentate of the Senate, he would accuse the GOP of all manner of false crap and the GOP simply did not know how to combat it. They just let it go on and the public didn’t realize what was happening so they either believed it or did nothing. |
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Post by Credo on Apr 21, 2020 10:06:05 GMT -8
Not one Senator, House member, or any other government employee at the federal, state, or local level has missed a paycheck. But the work of over 22M citizens--whose taxes pay those salaries--is "non-essential."
And Donald Trump has been working for free since he took office.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Apr 21, 2020 12:25:46 GMT -8
Babylon Bee nails it, as usual.
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Post by Credo on Apr 21, 2020 12:28:14 GMT -8
By the way, the woman who tweeted this, Gianna Jessen, survived an attempted saline abortion in Los Angeles in 1977--when her birth mother was SEVEN MONTHS (!) pregnant. She has an amazing pro-life testimony that I've been sharing with my students for several years now.
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RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 21, 2020 15:02:15 GMT -8
Well, regardless of his censorial behavior you'll have to decide whether or not to use his product as is. When it comes to censorship people are usually ok with it as long as it's the other guy being censored. Of course & I have decided to not use his product (for a multitude of reasons). I would recommend for others not to use it, but by no means am I going to start a protest or demand that his product be shut down. I agree with that, although there are exceptions. The most glaring contrast for you & I is between JQP & Bick. JQP is an authoritarian who uses censorship as his main tool, while Bick allows people the freedom to express their opinion, no matter how wrong it may be. You don't have to agree with anyone here or even like them, but the science is settled when it comes to censorship - the site you moderate engages in it and this one doesn't. |
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