RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on May 18, 2020 16:14:14 GMT -8
Who said the mailman lived? you didn't state otherwise.., #BeABetterStoryTeller OMG, you have definitely been reading too many of VP's posts. It is an analogy, not a set of instructions on how to assemble a bicycle! |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 20:38:41 GMT -8
Evidently, in many hospitals and nursing homes, if a patient is already dying of something, but he contracts the coronavirus, it's presumed the virus "pushed him over the edge" and made him die sooner. It goes in the books as a coronavirus death (a) for the shock value, and (b) for the extra reimbursement the hospital or nursing home receives that they don't get for a non-COVID death. If someone game me an extra $13,000 every time I said I liked and respected Vilepagan's posts, I'd praise the dude 'til the cows come home. I'd do it for $13 just for fun. For $13K it would be too obviously dishonest. |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 21:05:53 GMT -8
The fact the SD Supervisor had to "dig" to find out what the true Covid deaths were is pretty disconcerting. We've touched on that issue more than a few times here. But now that we know only 6 of the 195 deaths would be considered without prior illness, the next step would be to see the age group distribution of those 6. This is shocking, but actually tracks pretty well with what I just read yesterday while digging through the CDCs own statistics. According to the CDCs own comment on COVID-19 deaths and Comorbidities: Table 4 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 7% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. [my emphasis] For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.5 additional conditions or causes per death.www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htmIf I'm reading this correctly, this means that only 7% of the COVID-19 deaths are "pure COVID-19," that is, otherwise healthy people who died only because they contracted the virus. Even if we accept the 80,000 death total being bandied about, that would mean that there have only been about 5,600 pure COVID-19 deaths nationwide. Just to get a sense of how incredibly small this number is, in any given two month period in the United States there are approximately 25,000 deaths from accidental causes, as well as about 2,500 gun deaths.
In other words, an otherwise healthy person is almost five times as likely to be killed by an accident or a gunshot than they are to acquire and die from COVID-19.
And for this we shut down a good portion of the nation's economy, closed down schools, cancelled all professional sports, put 35 million people out of work, and likely contributed to magnitudes of negative health problems due to stress, poverty, and medical conditions that were ignored to clear the decks for coronavirus patients only? God help us. |
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Post by Bick on May 18, 2020 21:33:27 GMT -8
So as to be closer to apples - apples, we should know how many flu patients died that didn't have a previously diagnosed condition.
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Post by MDDad on May 18, 2020 21:39:23 GMT -8
If I'm reading this correctly, this means that only 7% of the COVID-19 deaths are "pure COVID-19," that is, otherwise healthy people who died only because they contracted the virus. Even if we accept the 80,000 death total being bandied about, that would mean that there have only been about 560 pure COVID-19 deaths nationwide. Um, better make that 5,600. Do they still teach math at Servite? |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 21:59:44 GMT -8
If I'm reading this correctly, this means that only 7% of the COVID-19 deaths are "pure COVID-19," that is, otherwise healthy people who died only because they contracted the virus. Even if we accept the 80,000 death total being bandied about, that would mean that there have only been about 560 pure COVID-19 deaths nationwide. Um, better make that 5,600. Do they still teach math at Servite? Apologies. Missed a zero in my typing. It's been corrected. Nonetheless, the 7% figure is stunning. |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 22:11:44 GMT -8
So as to be closer to apples - apples, we should know how many flu patients died that didn't have a previously diagnosed condition. True, that would be interesting to see. I think the point is that the nation has been whipped into a hysterical fear of random COVID-19 death being visited upon anyone at any time, when the real odds are almost statistically ZERO. The general populace has as much to fear from COVID-19 as they do from the flu or pneumonia. All three are potentially deadly, but only for a very minute and identifiable portion of the population. Treating everyone as if they are equally vulnerable is medical, economic, and political malpractice. |
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Post by Credo on May 18, 2020 22:20:35 GMT -8
These numbers from the table below out of England show a similar statistic--less than 6% of the COVID-19 hospital deaths came from those with no pre-existing conditions ("pure COVID").
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Post by MDDad on May 19, 2020 6:07:36 GMT -8
Apologies. Missed a zero in my typing. It's been corrected. Nonetheless, the 7% figure is stunning. There was a similar story in the news last week. A city councilman, or some similar official in San Diego, looked into the 195 COVID deaths in the city. He found that 189 (or 97%) were actually caused by pre-existing conditions, while only six died of the virus. So all those published 2% and 3% mortality rates are probably more like 0.10% to 0.15%. |
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Post by Credo on May 19, 2020 8:32:47 GMT -8
Apologies. Missed a zero in my typing. It's been corrected. Nonetheless, the 7% figure is stunning. There was a similar story in the news last week. A city councilman, or some similar official in San Diego, looked into the 195 COVID deaths in the city. He found that 189 (or 97%) were actually caused by pre-existing conditions, while only six died of the virus. So all those published 2% and 3% mortality rates are probably more like 0.10% to 0.15%. That story from San Diego was actually the initial post on this thread from Bick, which I partially quoted in my own post. |
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Post by thefrog on May 19, 2020 8:37:43 GMT -8
Help me understand this. What are the signs you died of the virus vs. something like pneumonia? The lungs were filling up before infection?
Would these people have died from their conditions regardless of infection?
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Post by SK80 on Sept 24, 2024 7:00:33 GMT -8
Add this guy to the stats!
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