MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Jun 5, 2020 11:13:26 GMT -8
(1) Why the hell was a cop who had 10 complaints about brutality - if my information is correct - still on the street? (2) And you make clear that you're going to reevaluate your officer evaluation protocols to keep your people in line. (1) I think the answer to that question has been touched on several times. Public employee unions have enormous power to define policy and prevent the disciplining or removal of problem officers (or prison guards, or teachers, etc.) We have a system in which public employee unions negotiate power, policy, perks, pay and pensions with city and county officials who owe their positions to the financial donations of the unions they are negotiating with. How is that proper, and which of those two sides represenst the public first? (2) Police departments and prisons have reevaluated policy and revised protocols a hundred times in past decades. The unfortunate truth is that police officer and prison guard are two of very few professions in which the employee can impose his will on the public, even through the use of force, as a matter of routine and without blowback. It's equally unfortunate that that kind of freedom and power disproportionately attracts a certain kind of bully personality. Couple that with my #1 above and you have a very difficult problem to solve -- much more difficult that better screening or revised protocols. |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 5, 2020 11:43:21 GMT -8
Not to mention that complaints encompass everything and anything: “the officer was mean to me”
Chauvin was involved in two shootings; both determined to be justified as both times a gun was pulled on him.
I can try and find the cases if you’d like.
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Post by Luca on Jun 5, 2020 11:43:49 GMT -8
It was a rhetorical question, actually. I think we will know what the impediment is
And by "reviewing the protocols" I meant fracturing those impediments to real reform. Easier said than done, I understand. But a confrontation has to be made of it. If you cannot break the power of the police fraternity/unions nothing will happen, as has been demonstrated.................Luca
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Post by Luca on Jun 5, 2020 11:53:33 GMT -8
Not to mention that complaints encompass everything and anything: “the officer was mean to me” Chauvin was involved in two shootings; both determined to be justified as both times a gun was pulled on him. I can try and find the cases if you’d like. I admit that I haven't been following the situation closely. Same story, different city. I wasn't referring to any shootings and in fact didn't even know about them. Correct me if I'm wrong - it has happened before, surprisingly - but the officer in question has been investigated for excessive force 10 times. It's probably transient, but I've almost given up reading the news after being inundated by all the crappy COVID-19 news reports and overreaching experts and clueless observers with their magical treatments. And now all the pontificating editorials and truth to power and mea culpas. Christ.. At first it was boring, then it became annoying. So, how are the Lakers doing?...............................Luca |
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Post by thefrog on Jun 5, 2020 11:57:13 GMT -8
Not to mention that complaints encompass everything and anything: “the officer was mean to me” Chauvin was involved in two shootings; both determined to be justified as both times a gun was pulled on him. I can try and find the cases if you’d like. I admit that I haven't been following the situation closely. Same story, different city. I wasn't referring to any shootings and in fact didn't even know about them. Correct me if I'm wrong - it has happened before, surprisingly - but the officer in question has been investigated for excessive force 10 times. It's probably transient, but I've almost given up reading the news after being inundated by all the crappy COVID-19 news reports and overreaching experts and clueless observers with their magical treatments. And now all the pontificating editorials and truth to power and mea culpas. Christ.. At first it was boring, then it became annoying. So, how are the Lakers doing?...............................Luca I don’t blame ya; I try and stay off the news as well. One shooting involved a police chase where the suspect pulled out a sawed off shotgun and pointed at officers - the grand jury decided not to indict. The other involved a domestic disturbance where the suspect pulled a gun on Chauvin and Chauvin fired rounds into the torso (the largest spot on the body Biden). The suspect survived. |
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 12:53:00 GMT -8
Yeah, Frog. You're way more influential than that basketball player with 46 million followers. Vilepagan: Nobody ever claimed that the police were "hunting down unarmed black men by the hundreds and thousands". You are the one spreading a false narrative. LeBron James (one of the most recognizable persons on the planet): We’re literally hunted EVERYDAY/EVERYTIME we step foot outside the comfort of our homes!
Like I've said before, the facts don't care about your feelings. Stop confusing the two and people might start taking you seriously. |
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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2020 12:54:25 GMT -8
This will be a repeat for those who missed it (or ignored it) the first few times it was posted:
2019: 1004 people killed by police
1004 people killed by police, 235 were African American (23%)... which might seem like a lot, but a police officer has a right and need to defend himself/herself when confronted with a deadly situation, many of which occur in minority neighborhoods.
235 African Americans killed by police in 2019, 8 were listed as male, and “weapon undetermined,” one was female and classified as “no weapon.”
the WaPo data did not list the race of the officer doing the shooting.
so, to RSM’s point, how does a black man claim to be afraid of being killed by a white police officer?
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 5, 2020 13:04:09 GMT -8
So, how are the Lakers doing?...............................Luca They are struggling. They haven't won a game since March and their star player now has delusions of systemic racism & a Messiah complex. |
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 13:54:52 GMT -8
Until BLM starts taking the elephant of black-on-black murders seriously, they cannot be taken seriously about the mouse of white-on-black murders.
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 20:52:28 GMT -8
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 6, 2020 2:56:48 GMT -8
My question to you was...don't you understand how black people might feel that racism has something to do with multiple black men being killed by the police? . You are not a caring & empathetic person if you allow these people to have feelings of pain based on falsehoods. Neither are you a caring and empathetic person when you insist that you know better than they do why they're angry. You need to listen, not talk. |
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Post by Oakley on Jun 7, 2020 16:34:13 GMT -8
This is a must watch video of Candace Owens speaking out about what kind of person George Floyd really was, including his rap sheet. She also points out that Black Americans are the only culture that caters to the bottom of their society; criminals. And much more. |
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Post by Credo on Jun 8, 2020 21:47:53 GMT -8
Murder involving a cop and a black man. About that "Systemic Racism" thing....
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Post by thefrog on Jun 9, 2020 7:58:09 GMT -8
A statue of Winston Churchill was defaced by BLM in England.
This is what happens when you forget your history. I guess these individuals would rather be speaking German and living under an actual fascist regime...
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Post by MDDad on Jun 9, 2020 8:03:49 GMT -8
A statue of Winston Churchill was defaced by BLM in England. Jezz, frog, don't post something like that. Luca will put on his doughboy helmet and mustard gas mask and catch the next flight to London. |
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