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Post by Credo on Jun 4, 2020 11:17:02 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Jun 4, 2020 11:28:16 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Jun 4, 2020 12:19:08 GMT -8
Maybe instead of asking WHY...ask WHERE. Then the answer will be evident. I think you'll also find a correlation with the level of being pissed off with the leadership in place, and the damage that was done to those cities. Santa Monica really surprised me. California Counties & Cities by voter registration
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 15:36:41 GMT -8
Why wouldn't we just ask the guy who's been in charge for the last three years...what has he done besides threaten to use the military against the protesters? The fallacy with that question is that Trump isn't in charge of EVERYTHING. The problems that many cities are having now with protests, looting & rioting have to do with things that are under the direct control of local or regional politicians. They are the ones who have been in charge of those areas and are the ones who are responsible for doing something about it. It is interesting how the left constantly decries Trump as a fascist, as a wannabe dictator and then you complain when he doesn't step outside of his Constitutional limits to fix problems created by others. Make up your mind, do you want him to be a dictator or do you not?
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 15:50:54 GMT -8
Ok, time for a OC Politics road trip. We all jump in the back of Bicks SUV, go to where they are paying for protesters. Then, right in the middle of the protest, we release thousands of colorful balloons and turn it into a Pride parade as a thank you to Vile Pagan for all of his wonderful contributions. Will the BLM attack people promoting LGBTetc? Who knows. Then, just as the confusion begins to subside, we break into a "Hell no, we won't go" Anti-Vietnam War chant. We can feign Alzheimer's and tell the Antifa folks we are really trippin on some great acid. About the time they figure out we are the real saboteurs, we can call out 100 girls from Spearmint Rhino, dressed in nothing but pasties. I don't care how committed these BLM & Antifa dudes are, they will definitely forgo any protest in hopes of getting a free lap dance. The non-lesbian females will be disgusted at how quickly their male counterparts gave up the ghost and will just leave. The surprise for the BLM/Antifa boys is that these girls are from the Philippine franchise of Spearmint Rhino and a few have a special surprise for them if they get a bit frisky.
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Post by Credo on Jun 4, 2020 20:55:12 GMT -8
I'm convinced that half the pasty white guys protesting against "injustice" are just hoping to get laid by impressing their equally clueless SJW gal companions.
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Post by Bick on Jun 4, 2020 21:04:35 GMT -8
Ok, time for a OC Politics road trip. We all jump in the back of Bicks SUV, go to where they are paying for protesters. Then, right in the middle of the protest, we release thousands of colorful balloons and turn it into a Pride parade as a thank you to Vile Pagan for all of his wonderful contributions. Will the BLM attack people promoting LGBTetc? Who knows. Then, just as the confusion begins to subside, we break into a "Hell no, we won't go" Anti-Vietnam War chant. We can feign Alzheimer's and tell the Antifa folks we are really trippin on some great acid. About the time they figure out we are the real saboteurs, we can call out 100 girls from Spearmint Rhino, dressed in nothing but pasties. I don't care how committed these BLM & Antifa dudes are, they will definitely forgo any protest in hopes of getting a free lap dance. The non-lesbian females will be disgusted at how quickly their male counterparts gave up the ghost and will just leave. The surprise for the BLM/Antifa boys is that these girls are from the Philippine franchise of Spearmint Rhino and a few have a special surprise for them if they get a bit frisky. WELL THAT sounds like a hoot. SK80 brings the booze, and I'm in.
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Post by MDDad on Jun 4, 2020 21:38:51 GMT -8
I know I can sometimes be facetious or sarcastic, and this will sound like I am again. But I ask in all seriousness:
Has anyone on this forum heard a single intelligent liberal articulate exactly what they want to achieve from this protests? And I'm not talking about tired cliches like "a conversation about racism", or "cops need to stop killing unarmed blacks". What exactly is the objective, because I have never heard it voiced in reasonable, rational terms.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 22:11:01 GMT -8
Has anyone on this forum heard a single intelligent liberal articulate exactly what they want to achieve from this protests? . My sister-in-law has a liberal woman who has worked for her for 20 years and a younger sister who thinks she is liberal. I describe her sister that way because she is a sweet, agreeable woman who lives in Brentwood, so she sometimes repeats things that her friends told her as if they were her opinions. If you take the time to talk and dig down to what she believes, she actually has core values that are right of center. My sister-in-laws employee was all ginned up about joining the protests with one of her sons and asked my sister-in-law to go. When my sister-in-law declined and made a comment about having to work to pay the extra taxes and insurance that will be needed to pay for the riots, the woman said that was a racist comment. It nearly ended their 20 year history together until the employee later apologized. To answer your question, both of these women believe they are protesting to stop racism. Both are surrounded by folks who ignore statistics and believe the police are killing unarmed black men willy-nilly. These two aren't bad people, but are being influenced by others they trust and aren't doing any research or logical thinking for themselves. Until they think for themselves, they fall into the useful idiots category.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 4, 2020 22:12:01 GMT -8
... We all jump in the back of Bicks SUV, WELL THAT sounds like a hoot. SK80 brings the booze, and I'm in. I was just guessing that you had an SUV...
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Post by Bick on Jun 4, 2020 23:22:34 GMT -8
I know I can sometimes be facetious or sarcastic, and this will sound like I am again. But I ask in all seriousness: Has anyone on this forum heard a single intelligent liberal articulate exactly what they want to achieve from this protests? And I'm not talking about tired cliches like "a conversation about racism", or "cops need to stop killing unarmed blacks". What exactly is the objective, because I have never heard it voiced in reasonable, rational terms. This is the closest I got... Probably way to much to text but here are a few starting with police. 1. Screening. Should have a racial profile. Background checks do not dig into the depth of individuals. 2. Police awareness should have to have yearly training. Just like us coaches. Have an independent group come in and review arrests. Both who you arrested and how they were arrested. I can track how many tickets you write but not on who? Officer Bick, it seems 75% of the people you pull over or arrest are black? Ahh they are the only ones that commit a crime? All pull overs, write ups and arrests should be documented with race. 3. We all know the officer in question had 19 complaints about force. How about at 3, 5, 10 hell 15 maybe that guy should be being reviewed just a little. If so many people are claiming foul and we do not have a policy in place to get answers for it there will be a problem in time. 4. Police are not above the law they are the law their standards should be much higher. No different than me as a head coach and teacher. Do we have a policy for racial language? I do. Do we have a policy for force? I do ? How about the joke of probable cause. We might want to readjust that just a little.
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 3:03:34 GMT -8
Why wouldn't we just ask the guy who's been in charge for the last three years...what has he done besides threaten to use the military against the protesters? It is interesting how the left constantly decries Trump as a fascist, as a wannabe dictator and then you complain when he doesn't step outside of his Constitutional limits to fix problems created by others. Make up your mind, do you want him to be a dictator or do you not? It is equally interesting to see you guys whine and cry about "tyranny" when the government tells you to wear a mask, but then encourage the government to deploy troops to our cities. Make up your mind, do you want tyranny or not? BTW, no one is asking for trump to step outside the Constitution.
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 3:12:29 GMT -8
I know I can sometimes be facetious or sarcastic, and this will sound like I am again. But I ask in all seriousness: Has anyone on this forum heard a single intelligent liberal articulate exactly what they want to achieve from this protests? And I'm not talking about tired cliches like "a conversation about racism", or "cops need to stop killing unarmed blacks". What exactly is the objective, because I have never heard it voiced in reasonable, rational terms. I suggest listening to those who are trying to tell you why they're protesting. You'll probably find that the feeling that nobody is "listening" is part of their complaint. One of the reasons you haven't heard it expressed in 'reasonable, rational" terms is that protests like this don't happen until people are driven to emotional extremes. Let people calm down and then listen to what they have to say and believe them.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2020 5:57:51 GMT -8
I know I can sometimes be facetious or sarcastic, and this will sound like I am again. But I ask in all seriousness: Has anyone on this forum heard a single intelligent liberal articulate exactly what they want to achieve from this protests? And I'm not talking about tired cliches like "a conversation about racism", or "cops need to stop killing unarmed blacks". What exactly is the objective, because I have never heard it voiced in reasonable, rational terms. Hmmmm... no, I’ve only heard liberal opportunism. a lot about “white privilege,” a liberal buzzword that helps Blacks feel oppressed and white liberals feel sensitive and compassionate. a lot about bad POH’lees subjugating the poor Black man. Quite a bit about “no justice...blah blah blah... i have seen our local, communist politicians making their appearances at the various protests, after which they have made condescending posts and speeches about intolerance (inferring or out right stating we privileged fortunate few should understand why blacks are rioting (or course, it is not all black People doing the rioting)... when I comment “all of America grieved when George Floyd was killed... you had us united... but you lost the reasoned ones when the riots started,” Ive been blocked or called names... but, no... I have heard no sound rationale for the protests, either.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 5, 2020 6:53:01 GMT -8
... then encourage the government to deploy troops to our cities. Make up your mind, do you want tyranny or not? Lets get this on the record - are you saying it is tyranny to deploy troops in an effort to restore order to cities whose state and local police forces are being overrun by looters & rioters? If so, then what do you suggest be done to protect the people and their property who are in danger in those areas that riots are occurring? Extremely surprising considering where you live and what happened to parts of your city.
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