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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 10:25:46 GMT -8
... then encourage the government to deploy troops to our cities. Make up your mind, do you want tyranny or not?
The deploying of the regular military to restore order--as a last resort--is not "tyranny" but is constitutionally allowed by the Insurrection Act, which has been enacted something like 18 times in our nation's history. Get your terms and your facts straight. |
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 10:27:24 GMT -8
Healing, Not Hatred…
A video recap of President Trump’s earlier remarks on the tragic death of George Floyd. Justice for George Floyd--YES! Justification of looting and violence--NO!
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 14:05:23 GMT -8
Democrats run the cities and states where all this has happened and have even encouraged the emotionalism that has led to the mayhem. They are entirely responsible for all the consequences.
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 14:43:00 GMT -8
... then encourage the government to deploy troops to our cities. Make up your mind, do you want tyranny or not? Lets get this on the record - are you saying it is tyranny to deploy troops in an effort to restore order to cities whose state and local police forces are being overrun by looters & rioters? No, I didn't say that. I think it's very surprising to hear someone complain about tyranny when told they must wear a mask or stay at home for a month but say nothing when troops are ordered to break up a peaceful protest. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 14:49:08 GMT -8
The deploying of the regular military to restore order--as a last resort--is not "tyranny" but is constitutionally allowed by the Insurrection Act, which has been enacted something like 18 times in our nation's history. Get your terms and your facts straight. Has trump invoked the Insurrection Act? No he hasn't, so once again your argument is specious. Also, the Insurrection Act has only been enacted once in our nation's history. Get your terms and your facts straight. I can't help but notice that you didn't have a problem when people were complaining about the Covid-19 restrictions as being "tyranny". I'm guessing it's because in your partisan mind only Democrats can be tyrannical. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 14:55:43 GMT -8
Democrats run the cities and states where all this has happened and have even encouraged the emotionalism that has led to the mayhem. They are entirely responsible for all the consequences. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. First let me say that in all the violence I've heard no reports of the mutilation of corpses so your claim about mayhem is a bit confusing. Second let me say that it's quite silly of you to complain about 'emotionalism" in the same breath as you repeat the following warning: "America’s cities are gonna be uninhabitable wastelands after all this. The cops are gonna flee. The businesses are gonna flee. Anyone with the means will get out." I think you should pack up right now and flee for the hills, you're obviously scared shitless. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 5, 2020 14:57:27 GMT -8
Video...where?
I guess this must be the one that was removed for copyright infringement.
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 15:49:13 GMT -8
Democrats own this destruction in their own minority communities. Anybody here from Philadelphia care to comment?
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Post by Oakley on Jun 5, 2020 18:06:13 GMT -8
The Insurrection Act Soon after Congress was first assembled under the Constitution, it authorized the President to call out the militia, initially to protect the frontier against “hostile incursions of the Indians,” and subsequently in cases of invasion, insurrection, or obstruction of the laws. Insurrections against state governments could be put down under the act only if the state legislature applied for such assistance. These provisions were quickly extended to allow for the employment of the Armed Forces in domestic circumstances where the law already provided the militia could be employed. After the Civil War, Congress added a new provision for the use of federal military forces to protect civil rights. The Insurrection Act has been invoked on dozens of occasions through U.S. history, although its use since the end of the 1960s civil rights disturbances has become exceedingly rare. Its last invocation appears to have occurred in 1992, when the acquittal of police officers on charges of beating motorist Rodney King sparked rioting in Los Angeles. Congress amended the statute in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina raised concerns that the statutory requirements impeded the military’s ability to render effective assistance amid the perceived breakdown of civil law and order, but repealed that amendment the following year after state governors objected to it. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10539 |
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Post by Credo on Jun 5, 2020 20:56:33 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 5, 2020 21:35:05 GMT -8
Lets get this on the record - are you saying it is tyranny to deploy troops in an effort to restore order to cities whose state and local police forces are being overrun by looters & rioters? No, I didn't say that. I think it's very surprising to hear someone complain about tyranny when told they must wear a mask or stay at home for a month but say nothing when troops are ordered to break up a peaceful protest. That is exactly what you said, you flaming coward. No troops were ordered to break up peaceful protests. When protesters were told to leave an area (not to stop protesting) and they defied those legal, lawful orders, the protest stopped being peaceful. The now non-peaceful protesters were able to continue their protest elsewhere after the park police made them move. No one, especially no troops, broke up any peaceful protests. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 6, 2020 2:41:32 GMT -8
You're just wrong about no troops being used on the protesters, and your determination that they had become non-peaceful is just silly. Despite your angry tantrum I did not say anything like you claim. I think it's ok to use troops if they're really necessary but in this case they definitely were not.
//www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867532070/trumps-unannounced-church-visit-angers-church-officials
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 6, 2020 2:43:50 GMT -8
The Insurrection Act Soon after Congress was first assembled under the Constitution, it authorized the President to call out the militia, initially to protect the frontier against “hostile incursions of the Indians,” and subsequently in cases of invasion, insurrection, or obstruction of the laws. Insurrections against state governments could be put down under the act only if the state legislature applied for such assistance. These provisions were quickly extended to allow for the employment of the Armed Forces in domestic circumstances where the law already provided the militia could be employed. After the Civil War, Congress added a new provision for the use of federal military forces to protect civil rights. The Insurrection Act has been invoked on dozens of occasions through U.S. history, although its use since the end of the 1960s civil rights disturbances has become exceedingly rare. Its last invocation appears to have occurred in 1992, when the acquittal of police officers on charges of beating motorist Rodney King sparked rioting in Los Angeles. Congress amended the statute in 2006 after Hurricane Katrina raised concerns that the statutory requirements impeded the military’s ability to render effective assistance amid the perceived breakdown of civil law and order, but repealed that amendment the following year after state governors objected to it. crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10539Is there a point you were trying to make? If not thank you for posting that which clearly shows the Insurrection Act was only enacted once in our nations history. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 6, 2020 5:21:26 GMT -8
If you think this is a problem caused by Democrats can anyone explain why there's been unrest in the UK, France, and Australia? I'll wait.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 6, 2020 10:11:43 GMT -8
No, I didn't say that. I think it's very surprising to hear someone complain about tyranny when told they must wear a mask or stay at home for a month but say nothing when troops are ordered to break up a peaceful protest. That is exactly what you said, you flaming coward. No troops were ordered to break up peaceful protests. When protesters were told to leave an area (not to stop protesting) and they defied those legal, lawful orders, the protest stopped being peaceful. The now non-peaceful protesters were able to continue their protest elsewhere after the park police made them move. No one, especially no troops, broke up any peaceful protests.  heh heh heh heh heh he said flaming |
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