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Post by duke on Jun 30, 2020 9:29:02 GMT -8
On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologize for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem. I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30. But as an energy expert asked by Congress to provide objective expert testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to serve as Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report, I feel an obligation to apologize for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public. Here are some facts few people know: Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction” The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world” Climate change is not making natural disasters worse Fires have declined 25% around the world since 2003 The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany, and France since the mid-1970s Netherlands became rich not poor while adapting to life below sea level We produce 25% more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels Preventing future pandemics requires more not less “industrial” agriculture The rest of the article is here: environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2020/6/29/on-behalf-of-environmentalists-i-apologize-for-the-climate-scare |
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Post by duke on Jun 30, 2020 9:30:31 GMT -8
Notice there hasn't been much said by the Left lately about Climate Change. They've moved on to attempt bigger hoaxes.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jun 30, 2020 9:53:08 GMT -8
Notice there hasn't been much said by the Left lately about Climate Change. They've moved on to attempt bigger hoaxes. The original article written by Michael Shellenberger in Forbes has been disabled from the magazine's website, so I'm glad you posted a different link. Apparently the powers that be informed Forbes that they were guilty of perhaps the greatest sin in the eyes of the Left: inadvertently telling the truth.
Here's a link to Shellenberger's new book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y8FHFQ7/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0 |
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 30, 2020 18:51:44 GMT -8
I spend much of my free time in the outdoors, I consider myself a friend of the environment. When it comes to climate change, I follow science and nature, which means we should not interfere with Mother Earth doing whatever she is deciding to do. If the climate is changing, there is a reason why and we should not try to stop it.
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Post by MDDad on Jun 30, 2020 21:26:08 GMT -8
I agree. There was a story a couple months ago about the city of Mumbai, India, which has among the worst air pollution of any city on earth. There are 10-year-old children living there who have never seen a blue sky. Yet within two weeks of this pandemic hitting and shutting things down, the skies over Mumbai cleared and were blue for the first time in over a decade. We've been told for years that it will take mother nature centuries to clear up the damage we've caused. This example is evidence that maybe she can heal herself much, much faster than they ever believed.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 5:53:29 GMT -8
It would be nice to hear these same opinions from a climate scientist...or at least some formal education in climate science.
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 1, 2020 20:08:49 GMT -8
It would be nice to hear these same opinions from a climate scientist...or at least some formal education in climate science. Since the job market for a "climate scientist" is not really that active, someone who has such a degree is most likely willing to say whatever the highest bidder wants him to say. Mr climate scientist applies to be the local weatherman, gets rejected in favor of the pretty boy with the capped teeth and has to find a benefactor quickly in order to pay off those student loans. Up pops Tom Steyer & Mr climate scientist is happy to be his mouthpiece. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 2, 2020 3:07:24 GMT -8
Yet you can't find an actual climate scientist to speak what you believe is the truth...why is that?
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 2, 2020 15:12:05 GMT -8
Yet you can't find an actual climate scientist to speak what you believe is the truth...why is that? First, where do you get off defining what I "believe to be the truth"? Second, who said I was even looking for any type of confirmation? Third, who said such confirmation is not out there, if one was inclined to look for it? Fourth, follow the money. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 2, 2020 15:46:21 GMT -8
Yet you can't find an actual climate scientist to speak what you believe is the truth...why is that? Genius, since you're one who's doubting, why don't you cite a climatologist who can contradict all of Michael Shellenberger's very specific claims with scientific data published in peer-reviewed journals? Did you even read the article that duke provided to begin this thread, or are you just spit-balling as usual? I'm sorry but since you're the one invoking skepticism on the claims cited by a well-respected member of the environmental activist community, the burden of proof is on you to disprove what he has written. Shellenberger is a Time Magazine "Hero of the Environment," Green Book Award winner, and the founder and president of Environmental Progress. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) invited him in 2019 to serve as an independent Expert Reviewer of its next Assessment Report. I'm pretty sure he's more well-versed on climate change than everyone here combined. Until you or someone else is ready to contradict him, his very reasonable assertions enjoy good standing as far as this thread is concerned. Put up or shut up. That's how a discussion forum goes. |
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Post by davidsf on Jul 2, 2020 20:13:17 GMT -8
Yet you can't find an actual climate scientist to speak what you believe is the truth...why is that? First, where do you get of defining what I "believe to be the truth"? Second, who said I was even looking for any type of confirmation? Third, who said such confirmation is not out there, if one was inclined to look for it? Fourth, follow the money. Fifth, boy-seeker assumed because you DO not, that you CAN not. False assumption. |
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Post by mrright on Jul 8, 2021 15:39:37 GMT -8
is the global warming hoax a religion or politics?
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Post by mrright on Jul 8, 2021 17:30:11 GMT -8
a religion
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Post by mrright on Jul 8, 2021 18:46:15 GMT -8
howz it different? its all about belief with no proof
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Post by mrright on Jul 8, 2021 19:32:10 GMT -8
well since you cant state a difference...it says im right.
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