davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Jul 15, 2020 5:59:31 GMT -8
Another promise kept by Trump... but some might have missed it. Yesterday, Daniel Lewis Lee was Executed for a crime (or crimes) he committed in 1996 and for which he was convicted and sentenced to death in 2003. By the way, there are three more awaiting their, now, imminent execution. in my opinion, executions should be rare and limited to heinous crimes such as the ones Lee committed. While I do not particularly favor executions by hanging, I do not really concern myself much with the method, and really do not buy any argument that puts the comfort or discomfort of the criminal as the reason for proscribing their execution. That, to me, is a straw man since death is THE ultimate discomfort. now, I do realize well-intended people (and at least one reprobate) will disagree with me and I’m sure someone will accuse me of hypocrisy given my Christian values. But the Bible fully supports each person owning and paying the consequences of their actions. what are your thoughts about this case or about executions, in general?
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Post by Luca on Jul 15, 2020 12:02:07 GMT -8
what are your thoughts about this case or about executions, in general? My first thought is that I can't understand what the hell that sentence means. Is Lee considered the defendant or the plaintiff in this situation? Taken from context, I gather that Lee is the plaintiff. If so, she's saying that the harm that he would suffer from carrying out the execution (i.e.,being killed) is greater than the harm that would occur to the victim's family from granting another delay? Not to put to fine a point on it, but that would be the case for every single capital sentence ever proposed. That logic in and of itself would mean that no execution would ever be carried out. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: " If nothing else, lawyers might be a good source of protein."................................Luca
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Post by davidsf on Jul 15, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -8
what are your thoughts about this case or about executions, in general? My first thought is that I can't understand what the hell that sentence means. Is Lee considered the defendant or the plaintiff in this situation? Taken from context, I gather that Lee is the plaintiff. If so, she's saying that the harm that he would suffer from carrying out the execution (i.e.,being killed) is greater than the harm that would occur to the victim's family from granting another delay? Not to put to fine a point on it, but that would be the case for every single capital sentence ever proposed. That logic in and of itself would mean that no execution would ever be carried out. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: " If nothing else, lawyers might be a good source of protein."................................Luca I questioned that, as well. Since Lee’s attorney would have been the one seeking an injunction to stay the execution, your intuition that Lee is the plaintiff would appear (to me) to be accurate.
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Post by thefrog on Jul 15, 2020 13:06:59 GMT -8
It’s a very bizarre way of describing the balancing of equities in an injunction
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Post by davidsf on Jul 15, 2020 14:18:34 GMT -8
It’s a very bizarre way of describing the balancing of equities in an injunction We’ll, it was Federal court. im sure the attorney went jurisdiction shopping for the more lenient judge...
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Post by thefrog on Jul 15, 2020 15:36:35 GMT -8
My first thought is that I can't understand what the hell that sentence means. Is Lee considered the defendant or the plaintiff in this situation? Taken from context, I gather that Lee is the plaintiff. If so, she's saying that the harm that he would suffer from carrying out the execution (i.e.,being killed) is greater than the harm that would occur to the victim's family from granting another delay? Not to put to fine a point on it, but that would be the case for every single capital sentence ever proposed. That logic in and of itself would mean that no execution would ever be carried out. It reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: " If nothing else, lawyers might be a good source of protein."................................Luca I questioned that, as well. Since Lee’s attorney would have been the one seeking an injunction to stay the execution, your intuition that Lee is the plaintiff would appear (to me) to be accurate. This is correct. Plaintiff(s) likely brought a preliminary injunction action.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jul 15, 2020 21:00:11 GMT -8
My understanding is that the victims' family was opposing the execution. Perhaps they were the plaintiffs?
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Post by MDDad on Jul 15, 2020 21:25:48 GMT -8
While i certainly sympathize with them, I wouldn't think the victim's family had any legal standing to file a court action. So I imagine the "plaintiff" was Lee.
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Post by Credo on Jul 16, 2020 22:23:21 GMT -8
These are morally stunted people.
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