RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 22, 2020 18:46:17 GMT -8
... While this community his its faults likely being too laissez faire at times, I think it's incumbent on the members here to recalibrate on occasion to redefine what acceptable bounds are as a whole... I very much agree with this. I will admit that when I hurl insults at VP, they are done for two reasons. One, I dislike his snark and want to write things that may bother him. Second, and actually more important to me, I want to make at least one forum member shoot coffee through their nose when they read the insult. Sure, VP is a dick, but whether he lives to be 107 or gets hit by a bus tomorrow doesn't matter, I really have nothing invested in him. For me, he is nothing more than a punching bag to which I try to bring laughter to other people as they read our posts. That is why I avoid the tired & repetitive "you are an idiot" insults and look for things that are much more creative, crass and unexpected. Every now & then, I do as Bick mentioned & try to recalibrate myself. That is why I offered an olive branch to VP as far as insults, if he wanted a way out from our back & forth, I wanted to allow him to save face. I can also be the bigger man the next time he tries to insult me. But sometimes, the pitches he throws are big meatballs, begging to be crushed over the center field fence, I just can't help myself  |
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Jul 23, 2020 5:46:43 GMT -8
I am disappointed in myself to acknowledge, I do not feel at all bad or uncomfortable about anything I say to or about our resident reprobate. Apart from the obvious aberration of his preference for male genitalia, he is simply an immoral, recalcitrant asshole adept at nothing other than destroying communities like this. from Nick’s clarification, I accept anything I say to or about he/she is a slur (and not banter), but not a slur aimed at hurting his feelings. I don’t care whether or it my comments hurt his/it’s feelings: If a slur, it is related to the disregard... possibly disrespect... I have for it/her/him. I am curious, how do you square your Christian values while disparaging vilepagan? I am not criticizing you, just wondering how you look at it. I disparage vilepagan too because I believe he is a troublemaker and brings no value to the forum. I don’t and can’t. Jesus asked us to love our neighbor into which category vile-boy fits. That I cannot love him... or even respect him as a lost sinner in need of salvation... is sin, no doubt about it. i don’t justify my attitude, but I do recognize it. I’m sure at some point, the Holy Spirit will deal with me over it, along with other sin I allow in my life. |
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Bick
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Post by Bick on Jul 23, 2020 7:30:09 GMT -8
See Dave, I don't think any one person is capable of destroying a reasonably strong community, as I think this is. The thing that torpedoes a community is when multiple people regularly cross over from being cordial, and even worse, when they gang up on a guy or guys that way. While this community his its faults likely being too laissez faire at times, I think it's incumbent on the members here to recalibrate on occasion to redefine what acceptable bounds are as a whole. That begs the question...is regularly crossing over what we want from each other here? More a curiosity than anything that resembles a "rule" I'm looking for in this. In Myers-Briggs parlance, I am an intuitive and a thinker. that means I “see” things (more of a gut-feel) that others might might not, and I’m unusually analytical from a “problem/solution” perspective. what that means here is, I know when one of us is lying: I might not know what the truth is, but I know the lie. It also means I see (and in this case, resist) those problems around us when they present themselves. So, yes, I do think it wise for (all of) us to establish what is and what is not acceptable and that, from my perception, is what we have established in another part of this forum. That said, though, I cannot remain silent when I see a problem. As you (all) know, I have been more than forthcoming with my perspective on our resident reprobate and some of you have agreed, some have disagreed but the long and short of it is, here he remains with his ludicrous personae and his ridiculous pretense at intelligent argument. SO, I am left with a choice between just remaining silent (which I’m sure many here realize that possibility), or lobbing truth grenades at him on occasion. I completely support and enjoy you objecting / commenting on issues you disagree with. It's a key component of why we're here after all. Selfishly speaking, I lose interest in the conversation when it devolves into name calling. Intuitively, I'd think that being hard on the issue, and easy on the person would square with your MB personality type. |
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Jul 23, 2020 7:54:11 GMT -8
In Myers-Briggs parlance, I am an intuitive and a thinker. that means I “see” things (more of a gut-feel) that others might might not, and I’m unusually analytical from a “problem/solution” perspective. what that means here is, I know when one of us is lying: I might not know what the truth is, but I know the lie. It also means I see (and in this case, resist) those problems around us when they present themselves. So, yes, I do think it wise for (all of) us to establish what is and what is not acceptable and that, from my perception, is what we have established in another part of this forum. That said, though, I cannot remain silent when I see a problem. As you (all) know, I have been more than forthcoming with my perspective on our resident reprobate and some of you have agreed, some have disagreed but the long and short of it is, here he remains with his ludicrous personae and his ridiculous pretense at intelligent argument. SO, I am left with a choice between just remaining silent (which I’m sure many here realize that possibility), or lobbing truth grenades at him on occasion. I completely support and enjoy you objecting / commenting on issues you disagree with. It's a key component of why we're here after all. Selfishly speaking, I lose interest in the conversation when it devolves into name calling. Intuitively, I'd think that being hard on the issue, and easy on the person would square with your MB personality type. Partly accurate. The “person” part is the opposite in me: As a Thinker, I am more analytical than touchy-feels (“feeling” being the Myers Briggs opposite of “Thinking”). But, a point I do wish to clarify: I argue topics on which I have strong opinions. I disrespect Vilepagan and don’t pay a lot of attention to making salient arguments so much as just pointing out his flaws. |
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Bick
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Post by Bick on Jul 23, 2020 8:08:23 GMT -8
Bick, I agree that this is a community that regulates itself well, and that's the best that any forum membership or site owner can hope for. When engaging among ourselves, there are rarely comments that cross the lines of decency or common sense (except when RSM insists Terry Bradshaw should be considered as the greatest quarterback of all time). Even when there is disagreement (and I often bear the brunt of that disagreement), there is rarely if ever any disparagement. But at the same time, this forum has one member who seems to have no interest in debate or disagreement. He gives the impression of being here only to irritate and insult, and sometimes it is human nature to give tit for tat. That usually results in the rhetoric getting more personal and insulting, and I have no acceptable suggestions as to how to tamp it down. I don't support banning members because it sets a precedent of stifling contrary opinion, but numerous attempts at civility have been short-lived because it hasn't been reciprocated. I don't see any other option except to use the Ignore function. Agree with all with a couple exceptions. Lord knows I get the tit for tat bit. I've enjoyed doing it, and enjoy reading it...on occasion. I've also seen decent conversations between VP & a few of the guys here, myself included. I suppose if our conversations turned to the name calling bit, I'd end the conversation. If it happened enough times, I'd use the Ignore function, and resist the temptation to re-engage. Same thing happened at the last board. I left, and haven't posted there since...but that's just me. |
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