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Post by davidsf on Sept 29, 2020 14:36:29 GMT -8
Eppler is (finally) gone.
he proved what many of us already know: It doesn’t work... we don’t get to the big show by importing talent from around MLB. Although, to be honest, I do know Eppler was also interested in building up the farm system, [OPINION] it just wasn’t high enough on his list.
this was the last year of his contract and many of us were hoping he would move on. That is now a reality.
who do you think will... or should... replace him?
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Post by MDDad on Sept 29, 2020 15:49:47 GMT -8
I don't know how many Angel fans there are on this forum, but I'm one, even though I refused to watch even a single game this year because of all the BLM logo bullshit.
Eppler was doomed to fail. First, he had never been a G.M. before, and he was not up to the job. Second, his scouting department let him down. Yes, Arte Moreno can be blamed for forcing his G.M.'s to hire overrated sluggers like Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, Vernon Wells, and it now appears maybe Justin Upton belongs on that list as well. Arte has always been enamored with homerun hitters, even when they have glaring other deficiencies like age (Pujols), one or two decent years (Wells), or an I-really-don't-give-a-shit attitude (Hamilton). But Eppler signed dogs like Zack Kozart, Matt Harvey, Ian Kinsler, Ricky Nolasco, Brandon Phillips and C.J. Wilson, all for more than $10 million a year, and none of them panned out. And it's also starting to look more and more like Shohei Ohtani was grossly overrated as well.
Eppler refused to trade his prospects for known quantities, and the cost was that he always greatly overrated his prospects, as almost none of them ever panned out. Premier free agents don't want to play here because the franchise is a losing wreck. So Eppler was reduced to trading for journeymen, or signing free agents nobody else wanted because they were clearly on the downside of their careers, or they were coming of terrible years or bad injuries.
If he's as serious about winning as he claims, Moreno needs to hire someone who's done it before. The best guy available is probably Dave Dombrowski, who has built World Series teams in two cities. Then Moreno needs to shut up and stop forcing his G.M. into deals or F.A. signings that don't make sense. Hire a top guy and let him do the job. Dombrowski has proven he can do that.
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Post by RSM789 on Sept 29, 2020 21:13:40 GMT -8
Does Scioscia have the skills to be a good GM?
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Post by MDDad on Sept 29, 2020 21:27:21 GMT -8
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. But the last thing the Angels need is another rookie learning by making mistakes on the job. They need a proven commodity with the guts to tell Arte when to back off.
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Post by davidsf on Sept 30, 2020 10:05:44 GMT -8
I don't know how many Angel fans there are on this forum, but I'm one, even though I refused to watch even a single game this year because of all the BLM logo bullshit. Eppler was doomed to fail. First, he had never been a G.M. before, and he was not up to the job. Second, his scouting department let him down. Yes, Arte Moreno can be blamed for forcing his G.M.'s to hire overrated sluggers like Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, Vernon Wells, and it now appears maybe Justin Upton belongs on that list as well. Arte has always been enamored with homerun hitters, even when they have glaring other deficiencies like age (Pujols), one or two decent years (Wells), or an I-really-don't-give-a-shit attitude (Hamilton). But Eppler signed dogs like Zack Kozart, Matt Harvey, Ian Kinsler, Ricky Nolasco, Brandon Phillips and C.J. Wilson, all for more than $10 million a year, and none of them panned out. And it's also starting to look more and more like Shohei Ohtani was grossly overrated as well. Eppler refused to trade his prospects for known quantities, and the cost was that he always greatly overrated his prospects, as almost none of them ever panned out. Premier free agents don't want to play here because the franchise is a losing wreck. So Eppler was reduced to trading for journeymen, or signing free agents nobody else wanted because they were clearly on the downside of their careers, or they were coming of terrible years or bad injuries. If he's as serious about winning as he claims, Moreno needs to hire someone who's done it before. The best guy available is probably Dave Dombrowski, who has built World Series teams in two cities. Then Moreno needs to shut up and stop forcing his G.M. into deals or F.A. signings that don't make sense. Hire a top guy and let him do the job. Dombrowski has proven he can do that. Thank you, MDDad: This is one of the better analyses I’ve seen. i have said Moreno should just be an owner and not a de facto GM. I appreciate your perspective.
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Post by davidsf on Sept 30, 2020 10:10:01 GMT -8
Does Scioscia have the skills to be a good GM? If I was a betting man, my money would be on Mike Scoscia not appreciating Moreno’s lack of true leadership. of course, he has enough class that he would never say anything like that, but just the absence of anything either pro or con about Moreno (or, by the way, Moreno’s wife who is also an owner) gives me the suspicion. I also believe what MDDad said about needing someone already competent at the job, although a Scoscia GM would give players, scouts, and fans a big boost of confidence.
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Post by MDDad on Sept 30, 2020 10:22:58 GMT -8
If Scioscia wanted to get back into baseball, he could have had any of multiple managing jobs in ten minutes. I suspect he's happy living near the Ventura coast and counting his money.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 1, 2020 7:56:33 GMT -8
Names I’ve heard floated in places other than here: - Dave Dombowski (sitting on sidelines, has a nice track record)
- Tony LaCava (lost Blue Jays job to Atkins, no real track record)
- Brad Ausmus (really? Already turned his nose up at the Angels, no GM track record)
- Eric Chavez (Experience around the edges of GM including Epplers ass’t and Salt Lake City AAA)
- Dino Ebel (Dark horse: Good time in the Minors, but worked for Scoscia. No real applicable track record)
all things considered, I’m thinking MDDad might have hit on something: Dombrowski would be the hit-the-ground-running GM we need.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 1, 2020 8:23:17 GMT -8
Since he acquired the Angels 17 years ago, Moreno has hired three general managers: Tony Reagins (no previous G.M. experience), Jerry Dipoto (no previous G.M. experience) and Billy Eppler (no previous G.M. experience). There seems to be a trend there that has resulted in no success on the field. Why not hire a guy who's been there and done that, unless Arte is opposed to a G.M. with opinions and a voice that might challenge his own?
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Post by davidsf on Oct 3, 2020 12:49:23 GMT -8
Since he acquired the Angels 17 years ago, Moreno has hired three general managers: Tony Reagins (no previous G.M. experience), Jerry Dipoto (no previous G.M. experience) and Billy Eppler (no previous G.M. experience). There seems to be a trend there that has resulted in no success on the field. Why not hire a guy who's been there and done that, unless Arte is opposed to a G.M. with opinions and a voice that might challenge his own? I have only my suspicions, but I suspect your last suggestion is very close to accurate. look how he reacted to the city of Anaheim telling him he couldn’t rename the team... and the nearly annual battles over use of and ownership of Angels Stadium... By observation, it looks to me as if he wants control and, to him, that means no one else gets any. which also means bringing on a GM that does have some GM success under his belt is unlikely. mores the pity.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 3, 2020 13:43:19 GMT -8
So you're saying Arte is the Mexican George Steinbrenner? God, you're such a racist!
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Post by davidsf on Oct 4, 2020 9:11:16 GMT -8
So you're saying Arte is the Mexican George Steinbrenner? God, you're such a racist! You’re probably right, but this doesn’t prove it one way or the other. “Mexican” isn’t a race. Most in Mexico are either Caucasian or at least a blend of Caucasian and Mestizo Indian. I don’t like Moreno because he has helped manage the team down into the basement. But maybe I’m a sexist: Who’s to say Arte isn’t just taking orders from his wife who also owns the team.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 4, 2020 9:40:26 GMT -8
I don’t like Moreno because he has helped manage the team down into the basement. Bingo!
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Post by davidsf on Oct 10, 2020 7:39:15 GMT -8
From THE ANGELS WEBSITE
John Carpino on letting Eppler go, despite a 1-year extension signed in July: About their search: I guess we won’t be finding new information until after the Big Show since prospecting candidates before the season is over has always been a no-no.
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