billb
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Post by billb on Apr 11, 2021 22:16:18 GMT -8
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Post by ProfessorFate on Apr 12, 2021 2:31:44 GMT -8
I know there are some good teachers out there, but in the long run we would be better off just paying teachers to stay at home forever and not get close to the kids anymore. Maybe convert to a voucher system or charter schools. We should let this opportunity go to waste. They are out of the classrooms right now. Give them what they want. Pay them to stay at home. I know, I know,.... just thinking. Fire them all and destroy the teacher's union, just like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Apr 12, 2021 5:28:33 GMT -8
I know there are some good teachers out there, but in the long run we would be better off just paying teachers to stay at home forever and not get close to the kids anymore. Maybe convert to a voucher system or charter schools. We should let this opportunity go to waste. They are out of the classrooms right now. Give them what they want. Pay them to stay at home. I know, I know,.... just thinking. Fire them all and destroy the teacher's union, just like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. I’m not so sure Billb doesn’t have a good idea there... it would be a bonus to crush the teachers Union... Now that I think about it, I am a trained virtual facilitator, and have trained others to facilitate, too ... 🤔 hmmmm
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Post by davidsf on Apr 12, 2021 5:28:51 GMT -8
I know there are some good teachers out there, but in the long run we would be better off just paying teachers to stay at home forever and not get close to the kids anymore. Maybe convert to a voucher system or charter schools. We should let this opportunity go to waste. They are out of the classrooms right now. Give them what they want. Pay them to stay at home. I know, I know,.... just thinking. Fire them all and destroy the teacher's union, just like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. I’m not so sure Billb doesn’t have a good idea there... it would be a bonus to crush the teachers Union... Now that I think about it, I am a trained virtual facilitator, and have trained others to facilitate, too ... 🤔 hmmmm
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Post by davidsf on Apr 12, 2021 8:39:57 GMT -8
When the COVID lockdown started last year, schools, businesses, and churches closed their doors. Amidst the crying and gnashing of teeth, one lone voice heralded the advent of a stunning opportunity.
as some of you know, I was a Virtual Facilitator of corporate training. In that role, I often remarked about the organizations who were missing the opportunities to conduct their business remotely. As a leader in my local church, I was a big motivator pushing us to explore remote church as a means of expanding our reach.
Most ignored me, until COVID hit.
in my opinion, it is stunningly ignorant for organizations, including schools, to ignore this golden opportunity to finally do something different from how we've done things for the last several decades. But teachers unions are seemingly too entrenched, and too fearfully ignorant of change.
We currently have the technology, but lack the will...
and, so, this opportunity will also be missed.
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Apr 12, 2021 9:42:54 GMT -8
If by "doing something different" you mean remote learning via computer screen or social media, the evidence is overwhelming that it is not only ineffective, but also terribly harmful to kids' social development and emotional health.
Give the teachers 72 to return to full-time classroom teaching or consider them to have quit and replace them.
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Post by davidsf on Apr 12, 2021 10:35:39 GMT -8
If by "doing something different" you mean remote learning via computer screen or social media, the evidence is overwhelming that it is not only ineffective, but also terribly harmful to kids' social development and emotional health. Give the teachers 72 to return to full-time classroom teaching or consider them to have quit and replace them. that is an extreme of "different" but no, I'm not talking about extremes. The evidence is also overwhelming that - Current public classroom-based method and curricula are not as effective as other methods, and
- Todays home-school methods have defeated most or all of those objections you note.
So, I'm not talking about the extremes. I am suggesting we have the technology AND the opportunity to use it to provide actual education to K-12 students... but will not likely avail ourselves of it because teachers unions are obstructionist and more persuaded to throw the baby out with th bathwater.
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billb
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Post by billb on Apr 12, 2021 11:29:57 GMT -8
We homeschooled three of our kids and the youngest had the most benefit. They attended an online charter school. They are all in college now and the youngest got a Dean's grant which clinched his decision for a local UC.
Churches and other institutions did want to open up, but teachers along with their unions didn't. They still have demands, unrelated to teaching, they want met before they go back. Don't meat their demands. It would be better for us to just continue to pay them to stay at home for good. Public schools are ruining our kids, and then they go off to college and the professors finish the job. If the teachers want to stay at home and get paid, let them. Society will benefit. Those teachers that want to teach can move to charter schools and parents can choose the schools based on their preferences. The state can issue a voucher.
Obviously, this has been discussed before and is a long shot, especially in California, but 10 years from now the society will benefit and the teachers can be public school teachers, the indoctrinators, can be sequestered. The Democrats had ambitious plans. We need an ambitious agenda too. We are coming up to a recall election. The teachers don't want to go back to work. Grant them their wish.
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Apr 12, 2021 12:02:13 GMT -8
It would be better for us to just continue to pay them to stay at home for good. If the teachers want to stay at home and get paid, let them. I can never understand, nor would I ever support, that argument. If teachers should be paid to stay home and not work, then why shouldn't everyone? If they don't return to the classroom when all the nation's health authorities have deemed it safe, they effectively are either on strike or have quit, neither of which deserves continued pay.
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billb
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Post by billb on Apr 12, 2021 12:15:53 GMT -8
It would be better for us to just continue to pay them to stay at home for good. If the teachers want to stay at home and get paid, let them. I can never understand, nor would I ever support, that argument. If teachers should be paid to stay home and not work, then why shouldn't everyone? If they don't return to the classroom when all the nation's health authorities have deemed it safe, they effectively are either on strike or have quit, neither of which deserves continued pay. That is what they have been doing. They have stayed at home and have gotten paid for it. I agree with you and don't want to pay for people to do nothing, but IMO, this is best. My suggestion is a longshot, and very unlikely. It is more likely the schools will reopen without the demands of the unions being met, perhaps with some promises made by elected officials, and our kids will continue to be indoctrinated with a socialist agenda.
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Post by MDDad on Apr 12, 2021 12:37:31 GMT -8
My son is an ER nurse who dealt with Covid patients almost every day. His wife is pregnant and a surgical nurse who also dealt with Covid patients. Can they stay home too and get paid some of that teachers' money, or should they have to go to work and earn it?
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billb
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Post by billb on Apr 12, 2021 12:40:47 GMT -8
I know there are some good teachers out there, but in the long run we would be better off just paying teachers to stay at home forever and not get close to the kids anymore. Maybe convert to a voucher system or charter schools. We should let this opportunity go to waste. They are out of the classrooms right now. Give them what they want. Pay them to stay at home. I know, I know,.... just thinking. Fire them all and destroy the teacher's union, just like Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. I like that too. But I doubt the voters would go for that in CA. But, this might be the time for vouchers and charter schools, especially if the teachers unions aren't satisficed. It is like the perfect storm to get something done. We have a recall election, we have the unions calling to defund the police - whatever that means - etc, and the pandemic which forced the schools to close. We may never get this chance again. The current public school teachers are going to get paid, no matter what. The teachers that are willing to give up that pay to teach at a charter school can. Granted, my whole scenario is unlikely, but something has gotta give before the country turns into a Marxist state.
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billb
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Post by billb on Apr 12, 2021 12:41:56 GMT -8
My son is an ER nurse who dealt with Covid patients almost every day. His wife is pregnant and a surgical nurse who also dealt with Covid patients. Can they stay home too and get paid some of that teachers' money, or should they have to go to work and earn it? I don't think so. So far, only the public school teachers have been doing that.
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Post by duke on Apr 12, 2021 13:20:22 GMT -8
It's too bad that this rubs off on a lot of wonderful teachers, while it is mostly their Union Bosses supporting these actions and the D party line.
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Apr 12, 2021 13:43:23 GMT -8
My son is an ER nurse who dealt with Covid patients almost every day. His wife is pregnant and a surgical nurse who also dealt with Covid patients. Can they stay home too and get paid some of that teachers' money, or should they have to go to work and earn it? I don't think so. So far, only the public school teachers have been doing that. All the more reason they should be kicked to the curb, rather than rewarding them with perpetual vacation pay.
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