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Post by billb on Sept 15, 2021 11:55:02 GMT -8
Pfizer has had two shots, and the third booster is just the same thing over again. They are working on a Delta Variant shot that will be out in a month or two. So that would be four shots in a year. I have heard predictions of 10, but I think we will have four shots a year unless there is mass resistance.
That is just in the US. Some countries have not bought into this. Argentina and Brazil refuse to purchase from Pfizer because Pfizer wants indemnity from any lawsuits. Argentina even offered to pay for an insurance policy to cover damages, but Pfizer said no.
And poor countries have not been able to afford the shots and in most cases it appears the US government will not pay. So this virus will likely be with us forever. I can't see it going away.
So here is the question: How many shots a year from now on?
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Post by MDDad on Sept 15, 2021 12:25:38 GMT -8
So here is the question: How many shots a year from now on? I don't see what difference it makes. If it's one, ten or a hundred a year, the process should be the same: If you want' em, get 'em. If you don't want 'em, don't get 'em. Why all the drama and arm-twisting among rational adults? |
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Post by vilepagan on Sept 15, 2021 12:46:55 GMT -8
So here is the question: How many shots a year from now on? I don't see what difference it makes. If it's one, ten or a hundred a year, the process should be the same: If you want' em, get 'em. If you don't want 'em, don't get 'em. Why all the drama and arm-twisting among rational adults? Perhaps because some people don't see the decision to not get the shot as "rational". Then there's the whole idea that everyone needs to be vaccinated for the program to work. If you let half the people say no the vaccine's effectiveness is much reduced. |
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Post by Luca on Sept 15, 2021 13:04:11 GMT -8
First, I don't understand the question. If you choose to get the vaccination, the Pfizer and Moderna are 2 time shots and possibly a third booster. It's not clear that anything else will be necessary, and even if it is you wouldn't be getting the shots every year any more than you get a tetanus shot every year.
I don't blame Pfizer for insisting on indemnification. It's a new vaccine developed under emergency conditions and not tested long-term for complications as Is normally the case. There is no evidence after a year and a half that there are any recurring atypical complications but you cannot know that yet and they have no way of anticipating what theoretical complications might occur in the future which would leave them at risk for bankruptcy. So their approach is "If you want the vaccine here it is, but don't hold me responsible for complications I haven't been able to monitor for." Any other approach would be irresponsible.
Everyone does not have to be vaccinated for a vaccination program to be successful. You only need a "critical mass" to be immunized so that the virus can't spread efficiently. There wasn't 100% vaccination for polio or measles or smallpox and yet they worked. But that "critical mass" is hard to define and may be different for different infectious illnesses. I think the vaccination rate in the US for COVID-19 right now is about 65% unless I'm mistaken. When the pandemic started they were theorizing that was about the number you needed to end the pandemic, but apparently not..................................Luca
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Post by MDDad on Sept 15, 2021 13:20:31 GMT -8
Then there's the whole idea that everyone needs to be vaccinated for the program to work.That's absolutely untrue. There is widespread belief, if not a consensus, among experts that natural immunity gained from having had the virus is much more effective in achieving immunity than receiving X number of vaccinations. It's also estimated that perhaps as many as 200 million Americans have had the virus, most of them with mild or no symptoms. Threatening people with not being allowed to work or attend school because they are unvaccinated is either uninformed or it is yet another power and control action. |
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Post by billb on Sept 15, 2021 19:13:18 GMT -8
It's not clear that anything else will be necessary, and even if it is you wouldn't be getting the shots every year any more than you get a tetanus shot every year. Luca Great points Luca. On a personal note, about seven years ago I got a Tetanus shot and it almost killed me. My immune system went crazy. Although, my condition is likely hereditary, A specialist at UCLA save my life. I went on IVIG treatments for six months, Prednisone for nearly two years as I tapered off. I am in remission, but still take immune suppressants. I have regular blood tests to check my white cell counts. The last thing I want to do is upset my immune system again. My specialist didn't tell me to get vaccinated, he just asked if I was going to. We had long talks about the shingles vaccine over the years. He said it could send my immune system into overdrive which could kill me. It could work perfectly. Or it might not have any effect because of my suppressants. BTW, later my specialist took the new shingles vaccine and had a bad reaction to it and was hospitalized. He said it was a rare occurrence but still recommended it to me. |
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Post by billb on Sept 15, 2021 19:14:48 GMT -8
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Post by billb on Sept 15, 2021 19:41:22 GMT -8
I see what you were saying MD Dad and Luca. I think the question should have been "How many shots will those in power mandate?"
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Post by MDDad on Sept 15, 2021 21:28:25 GMT -8
What L.A. County also announced is that proof of vaccination would NOT be required in restaurants. Which begs the question, why is the virus more dangerous in bars, breweries and lounges than in restaurants. What is the rationale behind the difference in policy? L.A. County and Barbara Ferrer are the stupidest, most arbitrary, most capricious decision entities I've ever seen, and they prove it time after time after time. |
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Post by billb on Sept 15, 2021 21:54:24 GMT -8
IMO, she is a racist. Her thesis in grad school was racist. All of her oratories last year involved race and COVID. I always turned the channel at my parents when she came on there. Her droney tone.... After the election last year she quit her dull news conferences. Today, one day after the election, she spews her tyranny. Can you imagine Biden firing Fauci and then replacing him with her? Frying pan into the fire.
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Post by Bick on Sept 16, 2021 8:41:16 GMT -8
What L.A. County also announced is that proof of vaccination would NOT be required in restaurants. Which begs the question, why is the virus more dangerous in bars, breweries and lounges than in restaurants. What is the rationale behind the difference in policy? L.A. County and Barbara Ferrer are the stupidest, most arbitrary, most capricious decision entities I've ever seen, and they prove it time after time after time. Well the science is clear on this. Everyone going to the bars will wear a special mask equipped with a straw to enjoy their drink. Viruses know not to enter or exit thru straws. I'm on a flight this past weekend, and at the airport lounge at LAX, everyone has their masks off with a drink or food in front of them. On the plane, I'm asked by the flight attendant to pull my mask over my nose while sitting across the aisle from an unmasked person with a drink in her hand. |
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Post by billb on Sept 18, 2021 0:42:34 GMT -8
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Post by SK80 on Sept 20, 2021 6:22:36 GMT -8
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Post by billb on Sept 20, 2021 11:28:05 GMT -8
theexpose.uk/2021/09/18/fda-experts-reveal-the-covid-19-vaccines-are-killing-2-people-for-every-1-life-saved/
That is important info SK. Expose' was also the first to analyze the Scottish data I just posted last night in another thread. All they did was subtract the numbers from reports from different dates to show the deaths of the vaccinated are 83 percent while the vaccination rate is only 71 percent. Great reporting. The information is out there, but people need to break out their calculator and analyze it for themselves.
The bottom line is with the evidence shows the vaccines put people at a disadvantage in fighting COVID. That is the opposite of what was hoped. But despite the FDA not recommending the boosters, the Biden Administration does.
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