MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Jun 28, 2022 9:11:35 GMT -8
In the last month, Bick has started a couple threads about school shootings and guns that generated excellent discussion. I'd like to start another one. I hope everyone will contribute their thoughts and feelings, but please, no jokes, links to cartoons or memes, or veering off onto sideroads. I really want to hear what people here think.
Here's the subject: We've had several discussions here about what it would take to reunite this nation with a single focus and purpose. We speculated on things like an invasion by a formidable enemy nation, a global pandemic, an environmental or climate disaster, even an invastion by space aliens. Clearly, a global pandemic was not enough to bring us back together. In fact, it did just the opposite.
So I've reached my own personal tipping point. I no longer want to be reunited as a nation with the radical left. Period. I've always understood and accepted that we have political differences with the left over the size and role of government. But it's our social differences rather than our political ones that have driven me to this point. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of having arrived here, but I want no part of the radical left any longer. Their social beliefs and policies are so alien and abhorrent to me that I can't see any path to reconciliation, and I've wondered for many months whether or not they really belive what they espouse. Sometimes I think they don't, and that they're just pulling our legs. If that's the case, there is no forgiveness for the death, misery and damage they have caused. And sometimes I think they do, leading me to conclude that they are insane, or that they want to tear this country down to the ground and leave it in anarchy or rebuild it in some bizarre vision of their utopia. I am disgusted by that possibility even more.
I fully realize and accept that dividing this country would leave China as the undisputed power in the world, both militarily and economically. I can live with that. I'd rather live in a Chinese-dominated world than live with these fucking morons who would brainwash and mutilate our kids and kill our unborn. However, I'm not smart enough to think of a realistic way this country could be divided into two. It certainly can't be done geographically by state, because we can't expect 160 million Americans to move to another state. So what is the alternative?
Again, I hope everyone contributes their thoughts, but I also hope for serious discussion only. Have I gone too far into Wackyworld, or is my decision a rational one? And why?
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Post by SK80 on Jun 28, 2022 9:45:42 GMT -8
For starters, I would stop at this option..... "I'd rather live in a Chinese-dominated world".
I can agree with you on no longer wanting to live with the radical left. I often imagine a life elsewhere than California. I'm lucky enough to live and have lived in one of the greatest places on earth for most my life. I thank my father for having the fortitude and wanting a better life for his kids by stretching beyond his means as a young dad to get us where we are today. But as we all know that is ever changing, this place we call home here in this state. So it's stand and fight and duck and cover, run. I've been a fighter most my life, but I am also getting older and tired as I start to see the later chapters of what time I have left unfold and I am not sure I want to subject these years to this insanity near anarchy that is being raged across our home. Question is, can you run, will it be there too when you get there. Is there a Utopia or perfect world? Could that be a Red State? I am not sure, haven't lived in one for decades. I have visited them and I will say they are a much nicer swatch of society.
Maybe MDDad, this is a global thing, something much bigger than you and I. I feel you, but we are mere mortals, just blips in the evolutionary and spiritual journey we call "life".
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Post by billb on Jun 28, 2022 11:18:20 GMT -8
These are my thought:s It will be a long process, sadly. I think the start will be to expose the left for who they are. Perhaps we need a full year of gay pride. And hopefully CNN will cover it. These people are whacked and people like my mom need to see. She is the old Democrat.
Second, we need to change the schools via the school boards. If people can see what is happening, perhaps reasonable school board members will be brought in. This could change the WOKEness and CRT over time.
Third, homosexuals can't have kids naturally. If they want to add to their numbers, they need to groom them. We need to stop that. Perhaps pressure by sane people on Corporations could help that.
It took forty years to get here. Originally it was a communist plan hatched in the fifties and sixties. They are causing anarchy and division to get us there. I think in the end the oligarchs will win out over the commies, but either way it wont be pretty.
But there is hope:
Disney needs to change. Netflix needs to change. Sports leagues need to change. The schools need to change. These whack jobs will get old and lose power but those who replace them may bring us back to sanity. It may not help us, but our kids will benefit.
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Post by tarmac on Jun 28, 2022 12:11:06 GMT -8
We must start with the public schools. We need to stop the left for pushing their agenda on the students. Go to the school board meetings. Help elect school board members who will stand up to the left and school teacher unions. Be ready for blow back and/or law suits.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jun 29, 2022 1:24:43 GMT -8
A few thoughts on the subject.
I am also thinking that we can't live with the leftists, Democrats, "progressives" anymore.
I have soured on Democracy. We need something more authoritarian than we have now, in my opinion. And we need term limits, and we need in person voting (four days maximum with voter ID...and paper ballots, not machines that can be tampered with.
We have been too tolerant of mentally defective people who spawn ideas that are pure idiocy. As MDDad has often mentioned, if some weird old man thinks he is the Queen of England, in the past we would have had him committed. That's exactly what we should be doing now to anyone who espouses such nonsense as transgenderism. After a short while no one would want to let on that they believe than nonsense, and those committed would be trying very hard to convince the docs that they are cured, and if released, would never bring it up again...ever.
Unlike some, I think the country can be split up geographically.
This schism has brought me closer to God. I've been praying more lately than I ever did before. And I've developed a stronger belief that Satan is a real being, and not just an idea. Some of the things we've seen lately are pure evil, and what we're facing worldwide is too well coordinated to have come from the minds of a few powerful men. I'm convinced that this is a battle between good and evil, perhaps even the beginning of the final battle between God and Satan. A pandemic, war, intentionally caused food shortages, women who truly seem to believe they have the right to murder their unborn babies, not just once, but anytime and every time their sex life produces one, and how dare we try to keep them from obtaining "abortion on demand, with no apologies."
I believe that this evil makes these women ugly, not just outwardly, but inside as well. I know we're not supposed to judge others, so I guess I'm still a sinner, with a long ways to go.
If you're not praying now, I urge you to think about starting. Tough times ahead.
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Post by SK80 on Jun 29, 2022 6:23:43 GMT -8
A few thoughts on the subject. I have soured on Democracy. We need something more authoritarian than we have now, Ummmmmm....NO. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 29, 2022 10:13:57 GMT -8
My beliefs on this subject go back to the TOB days, and the microcosm of what transpired leading up and subsequent to our departure.
We all got a sense of how frustrating it was dealing with the censorship, ostracizing, etc from the clearly left leaning sorts over there who used their position of authority arbitrarily (in my mind). At the end of the day, we were invited to leave if we didn't like it there, and here we are.
Having been through a few failed relationships, I can point to a common theme in them that ultimately caused a fissure that didn't seem to be able to be bridged, and that was differing core values. I believe that's also at the root of the differences between left and right, the most compelling of which was articulated nicely by Justice Sotomayor in her recent description of the relationship between her and Justice Thomas. Essentially, it comes down to him believing that everyone should pull themselves up by the bootstraps, and her belief that some people need help reaching their bootstraps.
There was a time when we could figure out a compromise to meet both objectives, but that ship has long sailed into the sunset, and has been replaced by absolutism on both sides. If you're in disagreement with conservative republicans, you're branded a RINO. If you're not on board with the leftist agenda, you're some sellout or an Uncle Clarence. It's staggering to imagine Elon Musk now being considered a right wing extremist by that ilk when he used to be center left.
I don't know if 2 countries split here is enough. Seems there's the far right, the far left and 80% of the rest in the middle who really are the silent majority. Hopefully they start to speak up a lot more than they have in the past, and kick the extremes on both sides off the podium. Ultimately, I believe they will. In the meantime, I think we'll continue to see migration within the states of people looking for like minded people to live with. With Roe, I think you'll see more migration to liberal states when recently, we've been seeing a migration FROM them.
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Post by SK80 on Jun 29, 2022 13:52:05 GMT -8
Yes the departure here from TOB is what MDDad brought up to start this thread... could the country play out this way? "Essentially, it comes down to him believing that everyone should pull themselves up by the bootstraps, and her belief that some people need help reaching their bootstraps." Not sure I would put an absolute to Thomas like "everyone" but I know the saying and try and live by it. On the other side "some" people... hmmm, my belief is that if Libs could they would want to help everyone in exchange for power to do so. I often say to my liberal friends, mostly we would like the same outcome we just have different paths on how to get there. Why today this is such an obstacle to us compromising and actually achieving something. How about if we just take the extreme left and just give them Puerto Rico or their own island.....? Let us hope liberals migrate to liberal states leaving purple states RED. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jun 30, 2022 3:21:33 GMT -8
A few thoughts on the subject. I have soured on Democracy. We need something more authoritarian than we have now, Ummmmmm....NO.What? You mean you wouldn't want to torture Adam Schiff, and then throw him into Gitmo?  Seriously though, Did you miss the fact that the Democrats have so far come within a whisker of passing a federal takeover of national elections that would have guaranteed they would never have to give up power...ever? That they've tried to bankrupt this country? That the whole Biden family has sold out the USA to the Chinese Communists? Did you miss the fact that, but for the fact that we are the most heavily armed population in the world, we would now be totally controlled by the totalitarians in Washington D.C. Comply with their every whim, or your social score would be so low you would not be permitted to buy food? Far fetched you say? Look at how many people have been denied medical treatment because they didn't comply with the mandated vaccinations. Look at how many people have had 4 AM visits by armed FBI storm troopers, just because they said the wrong thing, or refused to testify until questions of privileged information are settled. Look at how many people are threatened with jail time for protesting at school board meetings, or for using the wrong pronouns in California. My point is simple. Those people must never be allowed to gain power again, just like they tried to guarantee that our side would never gain power again. If we don't absolutely crush the Democrat party, then we deserve the things (as they have already demonstrated) that they most certainly plan to do to us. |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 30, 2022 6:31:13 GMT -8
You know we've reached a critical point in American history when a Mater Dei guy and a Servite guy stand together and express the same concern -- that this country is hosed. I've seen no sign that the moderate majority in this country has the will or the stomach to fight the fight that will be required to take it back. The radical left is so energized and so passionate about the crap they push that the majority just stands slack-jawed and puts up with it. That's the real tragedy -- that the greatest experiment in liberty and opportunity in human history is going down without throwing a punch.
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