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Post by ProfessorFate on Nov 21, 2019 21:17:45 GMT -8
I think there's a greater chance of violence if he WINS Yeah, and notice that even the Dems think that the president's opponents are twice as likely to be violent than Trump supporters, EVEN IF THE ANTI-TRUMP PEOPLE GET THEIR WAY! |
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Post by Bick on Nov 21, 2019 21:21:16 GMT -8
When does this turn violent, and then some poor little liberal winds up on the wrong side of retaliation?
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Post by Credo on Nov 21, 2019 23:18:23 GMT -8
Leftist mobs like Antifa are never condemned by Democrats, whose silence implies consent.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 22, 2019 6:20:07 GMT -8
Leftist mobs like Antifa are never condemned by Democrats, whose silence implies consent. Where are the police? Violence is definitely a’gin the law, but so is interfering with someone’s freedom of association. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 22, 2019 13:55:36 GMT -8
In Portland, at least, and perhaps in some other places, it appears that the police have been given "stand-down" orders. It's outrageous, of course, but look at who runs these cities....
Just imagine if a group of kids wearing MAGA hats had formed a mob to prevent people from hearing a liberal speaker or had shouted down such a person. Democrats would be calling for Trump and all Republicans to resign their offices in disgrace.
But you'd have to use your imagination because it's never happened.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 22, 2019 14:27:39 GMT -8
I can't understand how the left justifies their opposition to free speech. The tired old rejoinder of "it's hate speech" doesn't seem to carry enough weight.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 22, 2019 15:03:12 GMT -8
I can't understand how the left justifies their opposition to free speech. The tired old rejoinder of "it's hate speech" doesn't seem to carry enough weight. That’s the thing: they do not justify it. At least no one I’ve asked has offered a justification and standing on the First amendment obviously doesn’t dissuade those intent on doing violence. How do they justify any of the double standards the want to hold us to, but not themselves? Same answer: They don’t. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 22, 2019 15:22:07 GMT -8
I can't understand how the left justifies their opposition to free speech. The tired old rejoinder of "it's hate speech" doesn't seem to carry enough weight. This is the inverse of Christian moral thinking, of course, and is a sure road to an existence that is "nasty, brutish, and short"--to borrow the words of Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan, in describing a society in which all were at war with one another. |
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Post by Luca on Nov 22, 2019 18:07:00 GMT -8
I have a patient who was a scholarship player at UC Berkeley as an offensive tackle. He was a member of the college Republican club (yeah, there actually is one). He was 6'8" and weighed 325 pounds and he says that he felt like he had to be very circumspect in what he said to avoid confrontations.
I will say, though, that if I were a student at that school and had wanted to go to a lecture and some MF tried to keep me out there would definitely have been a violent confrontation. Just on principal alone................Luca
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Post by captaintrips on Nov 22, 2019 19:17:21 GMT -8
I can't understand how the left justifies their opposition to free speech. The tired old rejoinder of "it's hate speech" doesn't seem to carry enough weight. That’s the thing: they do not justify it. At least no one I’ve asked has offered a justification and standing on the First amendment obviously doesn’t dissuade those intent on doing violence. How do they justify any of the double standards the want to hold us to, but not themselves? Same answer: They don’t. Free speech IS hate speech - to the left.You'll notice that IF we follow the lefts prescriptions on our speech, we have no free speech ! Because free speech is hate speech. |
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Post by Credo on Nov 22, 2019 21:10:13 GMT -8
I would add that in a free society "hate speech" is free speech. That's because "hate speech" is a meaningless term invented by the Left to denote speech that they don't like, which has now morphed to encompass just about any idea to the right of Barack Obama.
Short of making violent or terroristic threats, all speech is free speech.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 23, 2019 9:39:39 GMT -8
Maybe I think too logically, but it seems to me that if you believe what someone has to say is hate, or divisive, or garbage, or idiocy, the one thing you'd want is for them to speak and confirm it. For example, I'd love it if AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib gave a televised speech every day, and the more people that hear them, the better.
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Post by captaintrips on Nov 23, 2019 9:55:28 GMT -8
Maybe I think too logically, but it seems to me that if you believe what someone has to say is hate, or divisive, or garbage, or idiocy, the one thing you'd want is for them to speak and confirm it. For example, I'd love it if AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib gave a televised speech every day, and the more people that hear them, the better. I agree. Let these confused people blather their stupidity endlessly.. until it's clear that there are only a few other imbeciles listening to them. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 28, 2019 7:03:28 GMT -8
Back to the actual civil war... the takes here aren't mainstream. I thought it interesting that Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist during his campaign.
The tariffs imposed (in 1829?) seemed to have a disproportionate effect on the South, and pretty much made slavery necessary for plantations to survive.
It's a fairly long read, but I'm interested in the takes from you Civil War enthusiasts on this.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 28, 2019 8:26:55 GMT -8
I hope everyone here takes the time to read that article, and I know of one poster whose head will explode if he does. The bottom line is not that the article reduces Lincoln's stature as an American hero, but rather that it reinforces the fact that he, and all of us, are products of our times and shouldn't be judged by the standards of times that come later.
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