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Post by Bick on Jun 26, 2022 12:53:54 GMT -8
Bick, no matter how I say this it will sound crass, but have you ever seen the results of a late first trimester abortion. If so, you might not support your #1 reason above, because they are nothing less than little kids cut into pieces to be more easily extracted. And that brings to mind a discussion I had yesterday. We have all heard from pro-choice advocates that women do not have abortions frivolously, but rather that it is an agonizing and heartbreaking decision for most women to make. The question is why? If a fetus about to be aborted is just "a clump of cells", deciding to do so should be no more agonizing or heartbreaking than cutting one's hair or fingernails. Why the agony, unless the mother really knows it's a baby? I'd rather have those discussion here than anywhere else, so no worries about sounding crass. Short answer is yes. Dad was a doctor and showed me a long time ago what it looked like. I think there has to be a reasonable compromise with those who don't share religious views some Christians do, and focus on the point at which the zygote / embryo / fetus / child should have legal protection. |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 26, 2022 15:29:33 GMT -8
I agree with you, but you don't have to share Christian religious views to recognize a chopped up baby as a chopped up baby.
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Post by Bick on Jun 26, 2022 15:34:55 GMT -8
Well yes, killing anything is rarely a pretty sight.
How do you think abortion law should be written?
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Post by SK80 on Jun 26, 2022 15:52:41 GMT -8
@bick, props, this is a great place for these types of discussions, thanks to you and those whom take part. MDDad, I have been thinking about that a lot, taking the christian value factor out of the equation for just a moment, so many support pro choice I believe just to rail against the religious and people of faith. If they took that out, does one still not have any clarity on what is "just" or morally correct? It will be interesting going forward how people now look at abortion without "Roe". We have had this for 50 years now, I always believed it was one of the most dividing ongoing political point amongst Americans since I can remember. Will the years ahead without change the perception amongst us all, hopefully for the better, not worse. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 26, 2022 21:47:34 GMT -8
I think this would also be the opportunity to discuss the fallout of Roe for the past 50 years, and the anticipated changes in the states making abortion illegal again.
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Post by MDDad on Jun 27, 2022 10:31:25 GMT -8
Maybe it's because I'm no longer a young man and I remember a time when people were more responsible when having sex. But it seems to me that this whole abortion conflict goes away if people would follow three simple words: Don't get pregnant. It's the easiest thing in the world. The easiest of course is not to have sex. But otherwise, there are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies -- condoms, birth control pills, spermicides, the morning after pill, diaphragms, IUD's, handjobs, blowjobs, anal sex, rug-munching, and many others I'm not cool enough to even know about.
Personally, I feel every man who sleeps with a woman that he doesn't want to have a child and he doesn't wear a condom should have his nuts cut off. I realize that means most NBA and NFL players would end up buying smaller jockstraps, but I can live with that. I just can't abide a woman, or a couple, who feels, "I want the right to be as irresponsible as possible. And if I/we get pregnant, I want the right to have my child pay for that irresponsibility with his life." I can't imagine anything more coldly selfish than that.
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Post by SK80 on Jun 27, 2022 11:43:03 GMT -8
Maybe it's because I'm no longer a young man and I remember a time when people were more responsible when having sex. Maybe no longer a young man makes for an old man whom no longer has much sex or if he does its between two infertile people....  Now thats birth control! |
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Post by tarmac on Jun 27, 2022 12:08:51 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Jun 27, 2022 12:35:24 GMT -8
This is all about funding. Planned Parenthood received over $500 million in 2020, and then their PAC turned around and spent some $45 million on campaign contributions...100% of which went to Dems.
My Body, My Choice, My Ass.
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Post by MDDad on Jun 27, 2022 13:41:25 GMT -8
My Body, My Choice, My Ass. I agree with "my body, my choice". As far as I'm concerned, a woman (or anyone else) can do anything she wants to her body. But if she harms her 9-month tenant, it's a felony. |
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Post by MDDad on Jun 27, 2022 13:45:15 GMT -8
Maybe no longer a young man makes for an old man whom no longer has much sex or if he does its between two infertile people....  Now thats birth control! I became infertile about a month after my second son was born when I had a vasectomy. That's called being responsible. And I hope you didn't find out the hard way that it's a lot better being infertile than impotent. |
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Post by SK80 on Jun 27, 2022 15:53:59 GMT -8
I became infertile about a month after my second son was born when I had a vasectomy. That's called being responsible. And I hope you didn't find out the hard way that it's a lot better being infertile than impotent.Thankfully no and thanks for the concern! @ Bick #FollowTheMoney |
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Post by billb on Jun 28, 2022 1:16:34 GMT -8
Corporate America supports abortions. The more the better. It keeps their employees focused on their job rather than a family. It also saves them money on insurance.
The leftists are fascists. They support the corporate agenda.
Also, notice the left is focusing on Clarence Thomas. Why? Because the left are racists too. The party of slavery is a racist party. The Republican party was born on an abolitionist platform. Who opposed them? The racist Democrats.
I would support Democrats and Democrat candidates if they weren't racist and fascist. IMO, this isn't a game between the Democrats and Republicans. It is a ideological war. The Democrats are, and have always been shameful.
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Post by Bick on Jun 28, 2022 5:35:43 GMT -8
What's complete BS is how tax dollars earmarked for public benefit gets used to support a political party.
It's like supplying your enemy with weapons to use against you.
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Post by Bick on Jun 28, 2022 5:41:32 GMT -8
Corporate America supports abortions. The more the better. It keeps their employees focused on their job rather than a family. It also saves them money on insurance.
The leftists are fascists. They support the corporate agenda.
Also, notice the left is focusing on Clarence Thomas. Why? Because the left are racists too. The party of slavery is a racist party. The Republican party was born on an abolitionist platform. Who opposed them? The racist Democrats.
I would support Democrats and Democrat candidates if they weren't racist and fascist. IMO, this isn't a game between the Democrats and Republicans. It is a ideological war. The Democrats are, and have always been shameful. It really is an ideological war whose end game is the division of the country... And I don't think that's a bad thing. We waste so much time and effort fighting over some of the most ridiculous stuff. Can you imagine being back to where a country, even if smaller, was actually unified again? |
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Now thats birth control!
Now thats birth control!