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Post by MDDad on Sept 8, 2019 10:29:12 GMT -8
The practical definition I have always used is the ability to replicate, live independently, obtain and consume nutrients, and metabolize independently That's almost identical to the definition I've always used, except that I take exception to the inclusion of "live independently". The totally paralyzed, the comatose and those on life-support cannot live independently, but they are certainly alive. And if I had a "feverish proclivity for auto-stimulation in high school and college", it was only because you paid me so much money to let you watch. |
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Post by davidsf on Sept 8, 2019 12:31:20 GMT -8
My concern as well. Plus: - the ability to replicate: children have the tools, but not the ability until they are older
- live independently: What MDDad said, above
- obtain and consume nutrients: fetuses, embryos, zygotes all do this in utero
- metabolize independently: fetuses, embryos, zygotes all do this in utero
So aren’t we both really saying “alive” means “having life?”
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Post by Credo on Sept 11, 2019 19:26:03 GMT -8
Widespread opposition to legalized abortion after the 1st trimester has been very consistent for years. The Democratic Party position, however, is legal protection up until the moment of birth, which is opposed by 87% of the public. This is the party of abortion extremism.
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Post by Credo on Sept 17, 2019 7:18:24 GMT -8
Bravo! Will the Left call this the "war on women--by women?"
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Post by MDDad on Sept 17, 2019 7:44:02 GMT -8
Widespread opposition to legalized abortion after the 1st trimester has been very consistent for years. The Democratic Party position, however, is legal protection up until the moment of birth, which is opposed by 87% of the public. This is the party of abortion extremism. Mary Margaret Olohan misrepresents what Buttigieg said. He didn't say that he favors drawing the line at the moment of first breath. He said the Bible at times draws the line at that point. I don't want the right to start using the same bullshit tactics the left uses -- putting words in someone's mouth that they never uttered. |
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Post by Credo on Sept 17, 2019 8:36:15 GMT -8
Widespread opposition to legalized abortion after the 1st trimester has been very consistent for years. The Democratic Party position, however, is legal protection up until the moment of birth, which is opposed by 87% of the public. This is the party of abortion extremism. Mary Margaret Olohan misrepresents what Buttigieg said. He didn't say that he favors drawing the line at the moment of first breath. He said the Bible at times draws the line at that point. I don't want the right to start using the same bullshit tactics the left uses -- putting words in someone's mouth that they never uttered. Fair enough, though Buttigieg clearly favors this line (while trying to use the Bible as a justification). That being said, his Biblical exegesis is here is seriously flawed. There is no possible way one can use the Bible to justify abortion. Mayor Pete should focus on cleaning up his own house: |
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Post by MDDad on Sept 17, 2019 9:00:00 GMT -8
I suspect Pete Buttigieg will barely be a footnote in history -- a gay mayor of a second-rate town that is not doing well and has shown no improvement under his leadership.
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Post by Luca on Sept 17, 2019 11:20:13 GMT -8
That's almost identical to the definition I've always used, except that I take exception to the inclusion of "live independently". The totally paralyzed, the comatose and those on life-support cannot live independently, but they are certainly alive. People who have become comatose or paralyzed or otherwise dependent were alive by every definition, have been alive, and are now ill such that they cannot fulfill their own needs, possibly temporarily. When someone is comatose and then comes back, he has not come back from the dead. He was alive the entire time Being severely impaired does not mean you are not alive, far less "dead." That is taking the definition of "life" a bit too literally. Dying is an inevitable part of life.................................................Luca |
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Post by Credo on Sept 18, 2019 19:41:32 GMT -8
Ms. Ekeocha makes a great point here. Why would Buttiegieg find this disturbing, since he supports the killing of the unborn up to the point of birth?
But he hopes the story "doesn't become political." Honestly, this guy is beneath contempt.
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Post by davidsf on Sept 19, 2019 6:38:39 GMT -8
Thank you, Credo: that final sentence perfectly explains my position.
“Our worth as humans isn’t conditional, it is inherent.”
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Post by MDDad on Sept 19, 2019 7:45:52 GMT -8
I'm also not sure why Buttigieg finds this story "disturbing". If he truly believes an unborn child is just "tissue" before it draws its first breath, why would he care if an abortionist kept a few of the chunks as souvenirs?
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Post by Credo on Nov 9, 2019 21:22:11 GMT -8
Mayor Pete might have some competition for embodying the apotheosis of what I would call the Religious Left:
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 10, 2019 4:18:16 GMT -8
Hard to tell if your article is madder at her for her stance on abortion or her temerity for being gay, but it's pretty obvious they are heavily biased against her for a variety of reasons. Maybe they just hate Episcopalians.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 10, 2019 9:27:06 GMT -8
I’ve said so for decades and our guest typically exposes that desire to “disguise it as spirituality’.”
It’s not that they have given up trying to sound logical or scientific. Even a Supreme Court redefining a living human as a “fetus” doesn’t help them. So “spirituality” just seems like their latest dodge in another vain attempt to assuage their conscience over what they realize they are actually doing.
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 10, 2019 10:13:49 GMT -8
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