Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 10, 2019 19:51:09 GMT -8
An atheist? How did the universe originate, pagan?
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 10, 2019 20:06:00 GMT -8
That is actually a trick question because the only factually correct answer, at least from us on this forum, would be "I don't know".
However, it will be interesting to hear from those who believe they do know...
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Post by Credo on Nov 10, 2019 23:50:40 GMT -8
Hard to tell if your article is madder at her for her stance on abortion or her temerity for being gay, but it's pretty obvious they are heavily biased against her for a variety of reasons. Maybe they just hate Episcopalians. Actually I'm still pissed at Henry VIII for his schism against Rome in 1534 and for having Thomas More and John Fisher beheaded for not acquiescing to his declaring himself head of the Church of England. But since the Episcopalian Church was founded under such ignoble circumstances, perhaps the Rev. Ragsdale's appointment is just a fitting and logical conclusion to a long, sad story. For Henry, Thomas More's very existence was an inconvenient reminder of his desire to exercise his own will without restraint, and so More had to be done away with. For the abortion supporter, the unborn life in the womb represents a similar reminder, and thus it also must be eliminated. I have no animus toward's Ragsdale's lesbianism. That is her affair. What I find abhorrent is that a person who ostensibly represents the Gospel of Jesus Christ is promoting the violation of the most basic and God-given human right--the right to life--that is embodied in the Commandment, Thou shalt not kill (murder).
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 4:23:03 GMT -8
Surely you're not surprised, Luca.
As RSM pointed out, nobody knows for sure. The current thinking is that it was a Big Bang.
What do you think?
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 4:32:52 GMT -8
Don't worry, the writers of the article hold similar views I'm sure...they were quick to denigrate the Episcopalians.
Well, your view that women wanting an abortion are making some sort of philosophical statement about "free will" is...interesting, but speculative to say the least.
How very noble of you...I'm sure she feels the same about whatever sexual relationship you find yourself having.
How does your commandment feel about abortion to save the life of the mother? What if it's only possibly to save the life of the mother? I don't suppose the commandment allows for any complexity in the question does it?
Biology is a lot more complicated than your favorite book allows. The law should take that complexity into account as much as possible.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 11, 2019 7:59:22 GMT -8
I've always believed that an abortion to save the life of a mother is a world different from an abortion because the mother thinks, "Oops, I made a boo-boo."
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Post by davidsf on Nov 11, 2019 8:08:27 GMT -8
I've always believed that an abortion to save the life of a mother is a world different from an abortion because the mother thinks, "Oops, I made a boo-boo." I understand your position, but I do not agree with it in most circumstances. i believe most women whose lives will be threatened (meaning “death,” not “physical disability” of some kind) by a pregnancy know in advance of the danger. (Yes, I said “most”), so they are having unprotected sex KNOWING their lives will be in danger. since they knowingly take the risk, I still don’t like that the child faces the death penalty for their poor choice.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 11, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -8
As RSM pointed out, nobody knows for sure. The current thinking is that it was a Big Bang. I know what the current thinking is. How did the Big Bang originate?.................Luca
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 10:21:38 GMT -8
Again, nobody knows for sure...but interesting that you should ask...this article was posted just today: We May Finally Understand the Moments Before the Big BangPhysicists may have solved a decades-long mystery about how our universe came to be.There's a hole in the story of how our universe came to be. First, the universe inflated rapidly, like a balloon. Then, everything went boom.
But how those two periods are connected has eluded physicists. Now, a new study suggests a way to link the two epochs.
In the first period, the universe grew from an almost infinitely small point to nearly an octillion (that's a 1 followed by 27 zeros) times that in size in less than a trillionth of a second. This inflation period was followed by a more gradual, but violent, period of expansion we know as the Big Bang. During the Big Bang, an incredibly hot fireball of fundamental particles — such as protons, neutrons and electrons — expanded and cooled to form the atoms, stars and galaxies we see today.www.livescience.com/physicists-model-reheating-universe.htmlAgain, what do you think happened?
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 11, 2019 11:02:10 GMT -8
The article you reference merely describes a theory of what triggered the period of rapid expansion following the Big Bang. It doesn’t address the origin of the Bing Bang itself. My question to you was how did the Big Bang originate...........Luca
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Nov 11, 2019 11:02:29 GMT -8
Duplicate
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 11, 2019 12:12:01 GMT -8
Actually it describes a period of expansion before the Big Bang, but that's not apparently the answer you were looking for.
At present your question is invalid. Since time itself came into being with the Big Bang (or so the theory goes), it doesn't make sense to ask what came "before" the Big Bang. The simple answer is that there was no "before".
If you're having trouble with that concept, join the club.
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Post by Bick on Nov 11, 2019 12:42:52 GMT -8
Luca... What was that thread you started that went into this stuff in depth?
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Post by MDDad on Nov 11, 2019 13:32:18 GMT -8
i believe most women whose lives will be threatened (meaning “death,” not “physical disability” of some kind) by a pregnancy know in advance of the danger. Is that belief based on evidence, or is it something you hope is true? My gut feel, based on my 20+ years in the ultrasound business, make be believe the opposite might be the case.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 11, 2019 13:53:43 GMT -8
The article you reference merely describes a theory of what triggered the period of rapid expansion following the Big Bang. It doesn’t address the origin of the Bing Bang itself. My question to you was how did the Big Bang originate...........Luca Ockhams Razor (see the bottom of my posts) suggests, when presented with opposing theories, the most logical route is to go with the one requiring the fewest assumptions. if it is supportable that the Big Bang occurred, the only assumption would be that a superior being (whom I call “God”) did it. That would be in perfect harmony with the Genesis account of “creation.” but it would also lend support to “theistic evolution” (meaning evolution happened, but God causes it all), with which I don’t have a huge problem so long as we limit it to intra-species and don’t make another leap to species changing to different species.
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