MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Aug 16, 2020 7:52:25 GMT -8
It cracks me up that a dude who posts countless videos from the Lincoln Project has the gall to complain that another source isn't fair and balanced.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 16, 2020 14:49:27 GMT -8
...I'm sure that since it's from Townhall.com it will be fair and balanced. So much is revealed in that one sentence: - You haven't read the article, yet you are willing to dismiss it;
- You make prejudicial conclusions about an article based on the site it is on;
- You ignore the fact that you were wrong about the Obama administration spying on the Trump Administration.
You are so very ignorant, yet continue to do the things to stay ignorant. Carry on Philly Flamer.
I don’t think you’re being fair, RSM: you obviously know facts and evidence are not vile butthead’s friend. How, then, can you expect him to read an article before he criticizes it? It is clearly much easier to dismiss it as a lie (or the current favorite, “fake news”) because he doesn’t like the website, which he has also not explored. |
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Post by MDDad on Aug 16, 2020 15:06:36 GMT -8
You guys have to cut him some slack. When you spend 24 hours a day googling subjects to make yourself look like an informed expert in everything, you don't have the time to actually read any links.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Aug 16, 2020 18:49:20 GMT -8
You guys have to cut him some slack. When you spend 24 hours a day googling subjects to make yourself look like an informed expert in everything, you don't have the time to actually read any links. I can’t argue with you when you’re right. |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 19, 2020 2:47:28 GMT -8
Glad i could occupy so much of your time MDDad, and dave. It's surprising that you follow my posts so closely, especially for dave who has me on ignore. ROFL. Enjoy.  |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 19, 2020 3:01:18 GMT -8
Interesting that no one here mentioned the Senate report released in the past few days...well, I'm not surprised really...it just doesn't support the stupid narrative you've all been putting forward. Let's take a brief look at it... Republican Senators Misrepresent Their Own Russia ReportTo hear Republican members of the Senate Intelligence Committee tell it, you’d think the nearly 1,000 page report the committee released today exonerated President Trump and his campaign....
Rubio should take a moment to hesitate over his own report. Reading the whole thing would, admittedly, take a while. But it doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect him and his colleagues to have a rudimentary understanding of the findings section at the beginning, which is a kind of executive summary.
What Senate Republicans are saying about their own report comes perilously close to simple lying....
Here are some of the committee’s own findings about Trump campaign engagement with the Russian electoral interference—findings subscribed to by each and every one of the senators who protests that they did not find “collusion”:
"The Committee found that Manafort’s presence on the Campaign and proximity to Trump created opportunities for Russian intelligence services to exert influence over, and acquire confidential information on, the Trump Campaign. Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services . . . represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”
"While [Russian military intelligence] and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those leaks to aid Trump’s electoral prospects. Staff on the Trump Campaign sought advance notice about WikiLeaks releases, created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release, and encouraged further leaks. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort.”
“Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks’s planned releases through Roger Stone.”
“The Committee further found that Papadopoulos’s efforts introduced him to several individuals that raise counterintelligence concerns, due to their associations with individuals from hostile foreign governments, as well as actions these individuals undertook. The Committee assesses that Papadopoulos was not a witting cooptee of the Russian intelligence services, but nonetheless presented a prime intelligence target and potential vector for malign Russian influence.”
It goes on. And on. And on...
First, the Senate Republicans—however they may characterize their findings—have knifed the president in the back. They have, as an initial matter, validated the major findings of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report. They have, in important respects, gone beyond them; they are more aggressive in some of their findings than Mueller was. For example, they assert confidently that Konstantin Kilimnik, the business associate of one-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, is a Russian intelligence officer, whereas Mueller did not go that far. Where Mueller was confined to that which he could prove in court beyond a reasonable doubt, the Intelligence Committee could be a little laxer in reporting its findings. It could also focus on counterintelligence questions, where Mueller by regulation and perhaps by preference chose to confine himself to the criminal law....
Second, they have also knifed Attorney General William Barr in the back. Barr has been on a year-long campaign to discredit the Mueller findings and argue that the Russia investigation should never have taken place. He has disparaged the whole thing as “political spying” and intimated darkly that some conspiracy lies behind it all.
Yet here is the unanimous Senate Intelligence Committee calling “grave” the counterintelligence threat posed by the Trump campaign chairman, calling another advisor “a prime intelligence target and potential vector for malign Russian influence,” and describing the candidate himself as seeking advance notice of the disclosure of Russian-stolen emails by WikiLeaks. It is one thing for Mueller to make such findings. It is quite another for the Republican senators themselves to do so—all the while acting as though they are not accusing Trump of anything untoward...
Third, while I have contempt for the rhetoric of these Republican senators and I find it almost mind-boggling to try to reconcile the text of this report with their votes in the impeachment only a few short months ago, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the public service they have done here. Yes, they are lying about having done it—pretending they found things other than what they found and did not find the things they actually found. And yes, they are almost religiously evading the moral, legal, and democratic consequences of what they found.
But unlike their counterparts in the House of Representatives, they allowed this investigation to take place. They ran a bipartisan, serious investigation. They worked with their Democratic colleagues to insulate it from an environment rife with pressures. And they produced a report that is a worthy contribution to our understanding of what happened four years ago.
Now all they need to do is tell the truth about what they found.www.lawfareblog.com/republican-senators-misrepresent-their-own-russia-reportNo doubt this just more "fake news".... |
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Post by Oakley on Aug 19, 2020 5:50:52 GMT -8
Interesting that no ne here mentioned the Senate report released in the past few days...well, I'm not surprised really...it just doesn't support the stupid narrative you've all been putting forward. Let's take a brief look at it... Republican Senators Misrepresent Their Own Russia ReportNo doubt this just more "fake news".... Dude, your sources are terrible. The author of your article is Benjamin Wittes who is a Senior Fellow of Governance at the Brookings Institute, which cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Washington, D.C. is known for its monuments, but it is also known for its “ivory tower” think tanks. These institutions can serve a valuable role in providing dispassionate and empirical analysis in divided times. One of the pre-eminent D.C. think tanks is the Brookings Institution, which has nearly half-a-billion dollars in assets and deep ties to political leaders on the left. According to Brookings, its mission is to “conduct in-depth research that leads to new ideas for solving problems facing society at the local, national and global level.” Brookings says it values the independence of its scholars and prides itself on “open-minded” inquiry. Yet, public spending records captured by our organization at OpenTheBooks.com tell a somewhat different story. Rather than focusing on “open-minded” inquiry, Brookings seems swayed by “open-wallet” inquiry. In many cases, Brookings doesn’t resemble a think tank, but a jukebox – add a little coin and Brookings will play your tune, if the price is right. And these aren’t just dollars provided by private donors — these are your tax dollars funding partisan advocacy projects and papers. Since 2008, Brookings amassed nearly $20 million in contracts and grants from 50 agencies – including the Obama Administration’s Office of the President. Despite assets of $496 million (IRS990, FY2014), our OpenTheBooks.com audit shows it was not enough. Brookings instituted an aggressive strategy to pursue federal business over the past nine-years. www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2017/06/02/brookings-institution-the-progressive-jukebox-funded-by-u-s-taxpayers/#29349f2d5e53 |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 19, 2020 7:07:05 GMT -8
Interesting that no ne here mentioned the Senate report released in the past few days...well, I'm not surprised really...it just doesn't support the stupid narrative you've all been putting forward. Let's take a brief look at it... Republican Senators Misrepresent Their Own Russia ReportNo doubt this just more "fake news".... Dude, your sources are terrible. The author of your article is Benjamin Wittes who is a Senior Fellow of Governance at the Brookings Institute, which cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Of course....neither can you. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Aug 19, 2020 14:15:56 GMT -8
Yawn, Vile Pagan. We won; You lost. Your Dems tried every trick in the book to get Trump out, and failed miserably. Despite everything the Dems have thrown at him, with the assistance of the MSMedia (which is nothing more than another arm of the Democrat party), he is still our president, and will complete his first term in about two and one half months.
The bottom line is simply:
We won, You lost!
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 20, 2020 6:58:21 GMT -8
Yawn, Vile Pagan. We won; You lost. No, we all lost when the Republican party looked the other way. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Aug 20, 2020 13:19:39 GMT -8
Yawn, Vile Pagan. We won; You lost. No, we all lost when the Republican party looked the other way. Good comback, Potsie. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Aug 20, 2020 13:21:26 GMT -8
No, we all lost when the Republican party looked the other way. Good comeback, Pottsie. |
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Aug 20, 2020 17:34:00 GMT -8
The only campaign that colluded with foreign actors (Christopher Steele and his so-called Russian "sources") to influence the 2016 election was Hillary Clinton's. FACT.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 21, 2020 10:13:38 GMT -8
The only campaign that colluded with foreign actors (Christopher Steele and his so-called Russian "sources") to influence the 2016 election was Hillary Clinton's. FACT. Incorrect. The Senate Intelligence Committee Report lays out exactly why your statement is a load of garbage. For example:
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump
Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those leaks to aid Trump's electoral
prospects. Staff on the Trump Campaign sought advance notice about WikiLeaks releases,
created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following
thdr release, and encouraged further leaks. The Trump Campaign publicly undermined the
attribution of the hack-and-leak campaign to Russia and was indifferent to whether it and
WikiLeaks were furthering a Russian election interference effort. The Committee found no
evidence that Campaign officials received an authoritative government notification that the hack
was perpetrated by the Russian government before October 7, 2016, when the ODNI and DHS
issued a joint statement to that effect. However, the Campaign was aware of the extensive media
reporting and other private sector attribution of the hack to Russian actors prior to that point. The above excerpt is from page vii of the summary...there are plenty of instances where the trump campaign's efforts to work with e Russians was well documented, so let's not hear any more BS about Hillary, ok? This is the evidence that the Republicans ignored and have been ignoring for months..and here you are putting forward the same lies...pathetic what's happened to this country. An interesting read, but I don't suppose anyone here will bother. |
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Post by Luca on Aug 21, 2020 12:10:21 GMT -8
I don’t keep on top of the daily D.C. traffic as you guys do. I only keep track of what seems meaningful, probably representing no more than 20% of what I see. So forgive me if I haven’t memorized all the people of interest, who leaked what, who said what in whichever deposition, etc. etc. When you’ve placed a lot of hope in something it’s hard to let go when it has clearly south, almost like a financial investment. But I have to say, Vilepagan, this 4-year-old Russian collusion imbroglio has outlived what utility it was intended for. After four years of melodramatic accusations, "bombshells" that fizzled, investigations that resulted in nothing other than peripheral charges against peripheral minions, and the ungodly amount of hype……… this thing is dead. It did not happen. The President did not “collude” with the Russian government to illegally influence the election. Had these accusations been true all of us here would have wanted the man out of office and on trial. But they were not. It was an incredible (in the conventional sense of the word) story to begin with and hence is one of those accusations where if you are going to make it, you have to prove your point. There has been plenty of time and investigation and money spent to support the charge and, frankly, it bombed. Pretty much anybody with an impartial perspective has already concluded this, and it’s only the dead-enders who keep flogging this dead parrot. It has become a relic like the Birthers, Saccho and Vanzetti, the Rosenbergs, ad infinitum. The more people try to dredge it up, the less credible they become. You can read between the lines and draw unsubstantiated inferences all day long and all you’re doing is pissing into the wind with predictable results. The bird is deceased, demised, passed on, expired, ceased to be…………………………….Luca www.Dead parrotyoutube.com/watch?v=vZw35VUBdzo |
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