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Post by davidsf on Jul 8, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -8
I don’t agree... at ,east I’m not making excuses about “the guy.”
I’m saying he has a personal life that is below the standards of behavior I accept from those I allow in my life. If I meet him on the street, as just a regular guy, I keep on walking.
But I’m also saying, I don’t care. That is a key point here. I don’t know if all, some, or any of the sh*t his detractors say about him is accurate but I don’t care. Melania might love or hate him, but I don’t care.
I LIKE what he is doing as president. Whether the economy is improving under a saint or a reprobate, the economy IS improving. He is doing well as a president despite all the disparagement and disrespect thrown at him daily... hourly.
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Post by Bick on Jul 8, 2019 11:07:48 GMT -8
First of all, you guys are dancing around the issue and making excuses for the guy. As religious as some here profess to be, I'm a little surprised that his philandering ways are so easily dismissed. And Bick, you are walking in his shoes. I assume you're married, and that demands that you not cheat. It's just that some of us have the character and self-discipline to say no to temptation while others cave in at the slightest chance. And I noticed neither of you responded to the claim that Hillary is a "murdering hedonist". There is certainly more evidence that Trump is a philandering jerk than that Hillary is a homicidal bitch. Well now that's a bit of a reach there MDD to equate my life with Trump's, simply because we're both married. He lived in the fast lane, while the closest to that I've been would be comparable to driving by the entrance to the freeway. My very limited experience with what perceived "fame" is like was when I was 25, single, and invited to play in a doctor's poker tournament in Vegas. Suffice it to say, the attention I garnered as a young "doctor" was beyond eye-opening. A few years later, also in Vegas, I ran into (literally), a scrawny little rock star by the name of Axl Rose at a gentleman's club. We actually chatted a bit as we were watching one of my buddies being a "guy" with one of the entertainers. I remarked to him how there were so many unbelievably hot gals in his VIP area hanging all over the guy with the black hat in his group. He simply said "dude, that ain't nothing - they're f'n everywhere." I haven't heard about any instances of philandering since the porn star, but as I said, I wouldn't be all that shocked. And his wife certainly knew who he was before she said "I do". Whether or not he cheats on her, or her on him (as was also rumored), I could give a rip. That's their business, and most certainly not mine. So yes. I'm married, but my wife never exposed herself to the world, and I'm not a billionaire in the entertainment world. And I have only heard conjecture about Hillary, and wouldn't consider her a murderer. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 8, 2019 11:30:50 GMT -8
Arguably the most morally decent President we've had in the past 75 years is Jimmy Carter. To me this is a mostly irrelevant issue.
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Post by davidsf on Jul 8, 2019 12:48:56 GMT -8
Those of us who profess faith in Christ should read and digest this article from The Atlantic. I have some reservations about the criticism the author, Peter Wehner, levels at Evangelical Christians, but he can at least be a warning signal to those of us who are believers AND support Trump as president. One of the reservations I have is his paragraph, From my memory, many of us disapproved of how Clinton was running the country so criticism of his personal life was just one more thing of which we disapproved. It is not (again, IMO) we give Trump a mulligan, it is that he is doing a good job running the country so we don’t care about his flawed humanity. But I will appreciate your comments. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 8, 2019 13:29:55 GMT -8
davidsf although I would appreciate a morality person in the presidency position as a libertarian leaning conservative i tend to vote less on what one does in their personal life or say relationship or bedroom. if trump is cheating on his wife as did bill who am i to say. i thought for example Clinton was not all that bad a president, he showed ability to work with newt and the republican congress. my side lost the election yet we won back the house and we hade a fair balance and some compromise to move us all forward. his bad personal habits and getting caught gave me fodder to throw at him and it wasn't so much what he did but how he pointed that finger and lied to my face. that motion was between he and i, he looked me the constituent right in the eye and lied, i lost all faith in him. again, trump doing his job whether globally or domestically is #winning to me, i feel for melania and all the crap she likely puts up with, but that is their house not mine.
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Post by MDDad on Jul 8, 2019 14:11:26 GMT -8
...he is doing a good job running the country so we don’t care about his flawed humanity. I'd be willing to bet I have numerous cousins in Germany whose grandparents said exactly the same thing in the 1930's. Look, I'm not trying to pretend I don't support a lot of what Trump has done, or tried to do, because I do. My only point of contention is that he is an absolute a-hole of a human being, and I'm surprised so many here write off his enormous deficiencies with mild (almost apologetic) adjectives like "unpolished". Frankly, I expected more from this group than whitewashing Trump the way the TOB boys did Hillary. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Jul 8, 2019 14:14:09 GMT -8
First of all, you guys are dancing around the issue and making excuses for the guy. As religious as some here profess to be, I'm a little surprised that his philandering ways are so easily dismissed. And Bick, you are walking in his shoes. I assume you're married, and that demands that you not cheat. It's just that some of us have the character and self-discipline to say no to temptation while others cave in at the slightest chance. And I noticed neither of you responded to the claim that Hillary is a "murdering hedonist". There is certainly more evidence that Trump is a philandering jerk than that Hillary is a homicidal bitch. "God moves in a mysterious way." I believe Trump (who many believe is a tool anyway) was used by God as a tool to stop what was happening in this country. The fact that he is a sinner seems insignificant here, since we all are sinners. As to the philandering...While I haven't been a "philandering jerk" It's mostly because I haven't had the opportunities, more than being a saint or something like that. I'm certain my record on being faithful would be very bad, if the opportunities that I had, were the same as what Trump has had. There was a trend in daytime talk shows decades ago, where a wife/girlfriend would hire some hottie to tempt the husband/boyfriend, while hidden cameras were filming. I told my wife flat out, to save her money...I would probably fail such a test. The promise I gave her, was that I would never go looking for "it." but, if I walked into my hotel room, and Christie Brinkley was lying on the bed half-naked, asking me to make love to her...I'M A NORMAL RED-BLOODED AMERICAN MALE, for Pete's sake But I digress. I can't speak for Bick, but I know I haven't walked in Trump's shoes. I agree with you that we have seen no evidence that Hillary is a "murdering hedonist." |
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Post by davidsf on Jul 8, 2019 14:59:40 GMT -8
...he is doing a good job running the country so we don’t care about his flawed humanity. I'd be willing to bet I have numerous cousins in Germany whose grandparents said exactly the same thing in the 1930's. Look, I'm not trying to pretend I don't support a lot of what Trump has done, or tried to do, because I do. My only point of contention is that he is an absolute a-hole of a human being, and I'm surprised so many here write off his enormous deficiencies with mild (almost apologetic) adjectives like "unpolished". Frankly, I expected more from this group than whitewashing Trump the way the TOB boys did Hillary. I don’t speak for everyone, but I’m not whitewashing anything.. i cannot be any more clear than I’ve already been. |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 8, 2019 15:01:26 GMT -8
MDDadI don't think comparing us to TOB is just. Unlike TOB ALL of us here have criticized Trump for one thing or the other. Unlike TOB whom praises ALL things Hillary or Liberal or left of center. I think we represent and present a fair enough sounding board here. We have Love Trump Love his policies, we have Hate Trump Love his policies and we have OK with Trump and OK with his policies. If it is any consolation and would make you feel better lets bring the remaining cast from TOB over! I wish in a perfect world, a political world that all leaders were like Lincoln or Gandhi. But come on MDDad look at Washington, its almost full of different versions of Trump, it's just that Trump has Trumped them! I think that is why I tend to give him a pass as if thats the rules of the game then so be it, biggest jerk off wins? To be honest, the cachet is ticking up and I do blame Trump for taking it higher, yet when I se how the other side plays and what the GOP has been for too long (soft) Trump is a heavy weight prize fighter taking a pounding for the things I find most important in our lives, the Constitution, our individual rights and freedoms bestowed and our nations sovereignty. And hey I'll throw in the proper ideas to move an economy forward which now doubt the previous bumpkin in office had no clue. And my final note, one which I end every argument, discussion or debate. The SUPREME COURT. Trump is making moves that will last our life times and generations to follow. So what it gonna be? Throw in the towel on bet on Bernie?
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Post by Bick on Jul 8, 2019 16:33:55 GMT -8
...he is doing a good job running the country so we don’t care about his flawed humanity. I'd be willing to bet I have numerous cousins in Germany whose grandparents said exactly the same thing in the 1930's. Look, I'm not trying to pretend I don't support a lot of what Trump has done, or tried to do, because I do. My only point of contention is that he is an absolute a-hole of a human being, and I'm surprised so many here write off his enormous deficiencies with mild (almost apologetic) adjectives like "unpolished". Frankly, I expected more from this group than whitewashing Trump the way the TOB boys did Hillary. Sorry... I won't judge someone for sins of the flesh - especially in those conditions. I probably have more in common with obama personally... Hell we were born at the same hospital. But, I'd much rather have trump than him as POTUS. Isn't that what's important in the final analysis? |
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Post by Bick on Jul 9, 2019 8:06:33 GMT -8
Look, I'm not trying to pretend I don't support a lot of what Trump has done, or tried to do, because I do. My only point of contention is that he is an absolute a-hole of a human being, and I'm surprised so many here write off his enormous deficiencies with mild (almost apologetic) adjectives like "unpolished". Frankly, I expected more from this group than whitewashing Trump the way the TOB boys did Hillary. I probably should have asked this a while ago. Besides calling out his detractors, and the porn star thing, what is it that makes him a complete ass in your eyes? |
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Post by davidsf on Jul 11, 2019 11:27:49 GMT -8
It would be great if he did not lie or cheat on his wife (for which I’ve not yet seen evidence) We had to choose between someone we don’t like, and a murdering hedonist. At least Trump isn’t a murderer. So you're not sure whether or not Trump cheats because you've seen no evidence (I guess you must have missed the monetary payoffs), but you're convinced Hillary is a murderer, also with no evidence. That's certainly an interesting revelation. I’m convinced Hillary is a murderer with slightly more than “no” evidence: This might fall somewhere between “evidence” and “just coincidence.:” Friends and Associates who have Died Mysteriouslythe sheer numbers on the list exceed the credulity available in my brain. |
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Post by davidsf on Jul 15, 2019 8:05:26 GMT -8
Again, I really wish someone would take Trump’s twitter account away from him, but since they won’t, the liberals are all panties twisted over this weekend’s tweet which they are promoting as “racist” by quoting only one part of one sentence. To allay any fears over what he said, here is what he actually said (with the understanding he has a tweet before and a tweet after because he won’t be hamstrung by character ,omits on Twitter):  |
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Post by Bick on Jul 15, 2019 10:08:46 GMT -8
Again, I really wish someone would take Trump’s twitter account away from him, but since they won’t, the liberals are all panties twisted over this weekend’s tweet which they are promoting as “racist” by quoting only one part of one sentence. To allay any fears over what he said, here is what he actually said (with the understanding he has a tweet before and a tweet after because he won’t be hamstrung by character ,omits on Twitter): View AttachmentLatest version of "America...Love it or Leave it", which is a less polished version of JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Once again, there's that same group conflating racism with patriotism. And patriotism is conflated with the KKK and the confederacy, and all remnants of the confederacy must be scrubbed from our history...yada, yada. But to your point, he HAS to know better than to tweet that...UNLESS it was by design, and it may very well be. There's this notion that he's just some blubbering idiot that can't get out of his own way. I vacillate in and out of that camp more often than I'd like to admit. But at the end of the day, this "blubbering idiot" is a billionaire that defied all odds to become POTUS, despite having ZERO political experience. So what would he have to gain by having them chase down another dead end "proving" he's a racist? |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 15, 2019 10:26:19 GMT -8
Like it or not (and we know the left, the media ALL don't), I believe it is all very calculated used with an end game in mind. Has he made a few blunders or miscalculations with his tweets, of course, yet his effective rate appears to be high as Bick stated it's all working, he is the President of the United States and I don't care what caricature or bumbling idiot the media, press or voters make of you it's just not possible by chance that you elevate to that position. Try it, liked to see how many mortals could get there.
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