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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 9, 2019 15:05:43 GMT -8
MDDad,
You know he can't do it by himself. He's trying awful hard to get it done but so far has been stymied. And nobody really thought Mexico was going to directly finance it. I know I didn't. His renegotiation of NAFTA was supposed to bring in monetary gains from Mexico (over the previous NAFTA) far exceeding the cost of the wall. But the new NAFTA has not been approved yet by Congress, and even if it does get approved, Trump can't use that money without Congress appropriates some of it for that purpose. Hell, even to use the money from the GoFundMe account needs Congressional approval.
Other campaign promises kept, include choosing conservative Supreme Court Justices, moving the Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, removing cumbersome obstacles from energy projects, tax cuts, creating jobs, increasing the military budget bigly, Getting out of unfavorable treaties that should never have been signed, and some of which require the USA to finance the rest of the world, Battling China's unfair trade practices, confronting N Korea like previous presidents of both parties should have. There's a lot more, but my fingers are getting tired.
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Post by Bick on Mar 9, 2019 20:10:04 GMT -8
Please list the many personal character traits of Donald Trump that you find admirable or worthy of emulation. Is it his marital fidelity? His commitment to a single spouse? The fact that he can't seem to push himself away from the dinner table? His unwavering honesty? His bankruptcy-laden business dealings? His propensity to shaft his employees, creditors and investors? His loyalty to those who are loyal to him...or anybody else? His vain use of hair dye and bronzing gel? His childish belittlement of those he disagrees with? His MENSA-level tweets? Just what is it about the guy's personality or character that you like? Some of those you listed above are personal character, other is style, and some are business success / tactics. I'll give you the positives, and comment on all your remarks Personal Character TraitsChutzpah - He's got the most of any president since Reagan, and that is exactly what you need to deal with the heads of the other countries. Tenacity TacticsUnafraid to move on from people who aren't performing, or deals that don't make sense, and doesn't care whose feelings are hurt about it. Love that he understands we have to negotiate from a position of strength. RepliesI don't care one bit if he had a harem, did as many women as Wilt claimed to have, or even starred in a porno before he was elected. The last people I take my moral cues from are politicians. Yeah...he could mix in a few salads, choose a different hair and skin color, but once again I don't really care what he looks like either. I don't know with any certainty how he treats his employees, creditors or investors other than the fact that he's had a bunch of them. He's got over a 95% success rate with his business ventures in his lifetime. Not sure what your threshold for success rate would be to consider it "successful" v. bankruptcy-laden. I'd give my left pinky for that kind of success rate. Maybe the fact I do care about the people involved in business hampers my success rate, but I define success differently than he does. For any spanish speaking sorts here, I'm pretty sure MenSO is a more accurrate description than MenSA for a good portion of his Tweets. That said, I applaud that approach v. the hand-wringing that would go with hoping the media would give him a fair shake. |
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 10, 2019 11:54:06 GMT -8
No need to sugarcoat your opinion MDD. You can tell us how you really feel. I'd be happy to. Please list the many personal character traits of Donald Trump that you find admirable or worthy of emulation... While the number of his personal traits that are NOT admirable exceed those that are, here is my answer to your question: - Communication skills - Overtly simple, but gets the message across in a way a majority can understand.
- Perseverance - He is a bulldog when it comes to fighting for what he wants, or against others who attack him
- Initiative - When he sees a problem, he looks to solve it instead of kicking it down the road.
- Ability to set expectations - When he hires people or is beginning negotiations, he sets expectations by saying how great someone will do or be prior to day one. It creates a natural human reaction to try to live up to the standards set.
I would love to have a President who is the perfect role model for the country, but that person didn't make the ballot. How the Libertarian Party blew the greatest opportunity they have ever had to make inroads in 2016 by doing nothing more than just having a sensible candidate, I'll never know. I would have no interest in spending time with Donald Trump, I think he is an egotistical jerk. However, I have no issue with him being President considering the choices we had and what the consequences of those choices would have been. Even though I disagree with some of his political viewpoints, on the whole he is right more often than wrong. He is a much better & more effective president than Obama or Bush (either one). Ironically, I would put him in the class with Bill Clinton, who shares many of his negative traits (with the exception of taste in spouses).
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Post by MDDad on Mar 10, 2019 12:14:47 GMT -8
Has Vegas set an overs/unders line yet for how many days it will be from the time Trump leaves office until the time Melania files for divorce?
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Post by davidsf on Mar 10, 2019 13:26:55 GMT -8
Like the one about building the wall and having Mexico pay for it? As of Mar. 1, after 26 months in office, not one mile of new wall had been built, and not one peso had been sent from Mexico to pay for it. Come on, MDDad...NOT that you’re a liberal, but that is THE one “promise” all the liberals ping on. It was a campaign promise. No rational person expected he would do anything about it (nor any candidate about any campaign promise). Isn’t it about time we let him off that “Mexico will pay for it” hook? Like you said, “26 months” are gone, and even more time since he said that. OK, he didn’t get Mexico to pay for it. So what! As for not building the wall, well, no one can say he hasn’t tried. |
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Post by Wabash on Mar 10, 2019 16:08:51 GMT -8
Has Vegas set an overs/unders line yet for how many days it will be from the time Trump leaves office until the time Melania files for divorce? No, but I'll bet you $20 that she never does. For the cynical, it is probably worth more to wait for him to die than to get in nasty divorce battle (plus there is most likely a prenup). For the rest of us, we have no idea of their relationship. We don't know how important it is to her that their son is raised with his parents being married. He has been with alot of women, we don't know what made him ask her to marry him or what made her choose to accept. In other words, we are all ignorant of the facts. Out of curiosity, did you ever posed that same question about the Clintons? |
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Post by not4u13 on Mar 10, 2019 16:31:11 GMT -8
MDDad, You know he can't do it by himself. He's trying awful hard to get it done but so far has been stymied. And nobody really thought Mexico was going to directly finance it. I know I didn't. His renegotiation of NAFTA was supposed to bring in monetary gains from Mexico (over the previous NAFTA) far exceeding the cost of the wall. But the new NAFTA has not been approved yet by Congress, and even if it does get approved, Trump can't use that money without Congress appropriates some of it for that purpose. Hell, even to use the money from the GoFundMe account needs Congressional approval. Other campaign promises kept, include choosing conservative Supreme Court Justices, moving the Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, removing cumbersome obstacles from energy projects, tax cuts, creating jobs, increasing the military budget bigly, Getting out of unfavorable treaties that should never have been signed, and some of which require the USA to finance the rest of the world, Battling China's unfair trade practices, confronting N Korea like previous presidents of both parties should have. There's a lot more, but my fingers are getting tired. A few words about this new NAFTA for a moment. It's all smoke and mirrors. I do support it by the way, but it's not really going to increase revenue to the US by as much as is projected. The automotive industry (for example) supports it because the targets are within their operating plan and the notion of not having NAFTA after building an entire ecosystem around "free trade" with Mexico and Canada is too big of a threat. In other words, what is promised to be achieved as a result of NAFTA 2.0 may very well have been achieved as a natural course of doing business. Nevertheless, I do support NAFTA 2.0. I just think it is a "cop out" to say that "Mexico is going to pay for it" was code for NAFTA 2.0 would pay for it. |
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Post by Credo on Mar 10, 2019 20:59:46 GMT -8
I'm guessing the "Wabash" guest name on the above post is someone's idea of a bad joke, since the content of said post is actually rational.
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Post by RSM789 on Mar 10, 2019 21:51:19 GMT -8
I'm guessing the "Wabash" guest name on the above post is someone's idea of a bad joke, since the content of said post is actually rational. Me again. I wrote the response and was ready to submit it when I realized I once again had forgotten to log in. Yeah, I know, I could have cut & pasted it, but it is kind of fun to bring up those dummies names once in a while. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 10, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -8
Looking forward to Vile and Ford weighing in over here next.
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Post by Bick on Mar 10, 2019 22:03:10 GMT -8
Nevertheless, I do support NAFTA 2.0. What's the reader's digest version of NAFTA 2.0 that's significantly different than the first one? Are dairy imports from Canada being affected? |
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Post by Credo on Mar 11, 2019 18:11:27 GMT -8
Why the recent insane push for reparations for slavery by the Democrats and all their 2020 Presidential candidates?
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Post by tarmac on Mar 12, 2019 13:53:11 GMT -8
People wanted a fighter and to fight dirty if needed. He's pushing the DC elitist and not playing by their rules. Time is money and if your not willing to work hard then get out of the way. The democrats delusional ideas are now front page and in the light for all to see. People who voted for him did not want a Clinton 1.5 or a Bush 2.0. They wanted a fighter and not a salesman selling good feelings and rainbow flags. President Trump is not my Pastor and Chief. He's a man with a dirty job and getting dirty is what we need.
The fun starts this Thursday. 3-14.
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Post by davidsf on Mar 12, 2019 15:45:19 GMT -8
I honestly read this and the coffee I was drinking nearly came out my nose:  I suppose she just couldn’t bring herself to say, “Yeah, we got nuttin’” |
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Post by Credo on Mar 13, 2019 10:58:54 GMT -8
I found a great quote from a fundraising email (should be spam) sent to me earlier today. Normally these kinds of letters are full of bluster and alarmism, but I think these words accurately capture the (positive) effect of Donald Trump on totally flummoxing the Left.
Donald Trump's tweets have made it impossible for the Left to control the agenda and to along their preferred narrative--which is almost always a dishonest one. He fights back in a way they have never encountered, which sucks up all the oxygen in the room. They are daily mocked and scolded by the Bad Orange Man. As important, he also brings attention to the positive news (economic or political) from his administration that the mainstream media refuses to cover. Brilliant.
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