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Post by Zebra on Oct 26, 2019 22:18:26 GMT -8
I can't wait for the season to end to join this "penalty" conversation. More education is obviously necessary and I'll have data, real data  . |
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Post by Credo on Oct 27, 2019 8:51:20 GMT -8
Let's even it up by requiring that all 4-star transfers sit out the playoffs. That would eliminate Bryce Young and Logan Loya. Any others?
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Post by Credo on Oct 27, 2019 21:04:57 GMT -8
Dad, with the new 8 team format what will determine who is the home team in the semifinals? I have always disliked how the CIF has done this by making top seeds play on the road. So if assuming MD and Bosco are the top 2 seeds, would they potentially have to play the semifinal on the road if their opponent was the away team the week before? If all the higher seeds win in the first round, I would hope the top 2 teams are home in the semi rather than giving the lower seed two home games. But given the idiocy of the CIF, such as giving more credit to a win against a mediocre D1 team more importance than beating a ranked national opponent from another state, it wouldn’t surprise me if they do a coin toss for home field. With all due respect, why should these semi-professional teams be rewarded for playing out-of-state opponents? After all, this is the CIF-SS, as in Southern California. Sounds similar to what Florida did by excluding IMG from its playoff system. We all know there are two reasons why Bosco and Mater Dei have taken to playing these other nationally ranked teams: - No one in CIF-SS wants to get humiliated by 70 points in a meaningless game.
- These games are just another recruiting tool to keep the pipeline of talent pumping into the program. Forget about a bus ride to La Puente or Upland. Come here and you'll get to take a trip to Hawaii or Washington, D.C. You'll get lots of mention on MaxPreps, maybe play on ESPN, and will get introduced on local TV during the pre-game when we play Mater Dei/Bosco on FOX Sports.
And in the immortal words of HRC, what difference does it make at this point? You could put both of those school on the road with only 9 on the field for the entire playoffs and they'd still meet in the CIF D-1 Final. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 27, 2019 21:36:01 GMT -8
With all due respect, why should these semi-professional teams be rewarded for playing out-of-state opponents? Jesus Christ, Credo, exactly what is it you want? For several years now, Mater Dei and Bosco critics have insisted that California teams should refuse to schedule the Monarchs and Braves and force them to play nationally-ranked out-of-state opponents. Now that they're doing exactly that, you want them to be penalized in the CIF's new silly point system for doing what everyone wanted? |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 27, 2019 23:41:23 GMT -8
With all due respect, why should these semi-professional teams be rewarded for playing out-of-state opponents? Jesus Christ, Credo, exactly what is it you want? For several years now, Mater Dei and Bosco critics have insisted that California teams should refuse to schedule the Monarchs and Braves and force them to play nationally-ranked out-of-state opponents. Now that they're doing exactly that, you want them to be penalized in the CIF's new silly point system for doing what everyone wanted? It just ain't right. I feel SO very sorry for them. |
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Post by SK80 on Oct 30, 2019 5:41:39 GMT -8
I think SK80 may have a point. Several officials I've spoken to casually before the game or at halftime hinted that they almost feel an obligation to keep a blowout from becoming a mega-blowout, and yellow flags are the only equalizer they have. Call me crazy, some do its OK by me...., but I've sat in the stands at HSF games through 6 decades now and have watched my alma mater for 5 of those. I won't go into all the reasons someone, some teams or some schools have a "target" on their backs, being good or dominant? Likely. Being from CDM....., maybe  . Take a look at the penalties accumulated by the Sea Kings this season... the numbers are staggering and one sided. I'm not got to defend any one call by watching a tape, nor look to that tape for every "non"- call. Yes, there are penalties deserved, yes there are penalties missed or not called. Sometimes things go against you, sometimes for you. Your actions have consequences, obviously CDM is one of the worst coached teams, has little discipline, plays dirty and do not often follow the rules of the game or possibly do not understand them. From the numbers below that is the only conclusion one could come to. PENALTIES BY GAME: CDM 12 Downey 7 CDM 11 Palos Verdes 14 (PV w/ multiple player ejections and personal fouls) CDM 12 St. Francis 5 CDM 7 Lakewood 3 CDM 16 San Clemente 6 CDM 11 HB 7 CDM 11 Edison 1 CDM 8 Fountain Valley 2 CDM 5 Newport Harbor 3 CDM 93 Opponents 48 Some observations, the only game in which CDM was not the more penalized team was the 20-10 win at Palos Verdes. The only "close" game. All the others have been "blow out" games, games in which MDad and others have termed "equalizer" or let's keep this from getting any worse yellow flags. Are they so? And how do teams getting shellacked only commit a penalty or two the entire 48 minutes? I suppose they just get out of the way and stand down. Over the last 3 games CDM's opponents have average just 2 penalties a game. Yes 2! So how did CDM finally arrive at game 9 on their schedule and only get a season low 5 penalties called against them...? Answer: no need to flag the Newport kids they are on both sides of the ball tonight...!  |
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Post by SK80 on Oct 30, 2019 7:59:09 GMT -8
Games streaming this week...........
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Post by Zebra on Oct 30, 2019 9:18:18 GMT -8
Call me crazy, some do its OK by me...., but I've sat in the stands at HSF games through 6 decades now and have watched my alma mater for 5 of those. I won't go into all the reasons someone, some teams or some schools have a "target" on their backs, being good or dominant? Likely. Being from CDM....., maybe . Take a look at the penalties accumulated by the Sea Kings this season... the numbers are staggering and one sided. I'm not got to defend any one call by watching a tape, nor look to that tape for every "non"- call. Yes, there are penalties deserved, yes there are penalties missed or not called. Sometimes things go against you, sometimes for you. Your actions have consequences, obviously CDM is one of the worst coached teams, has little discipline, plays dirty and do not often follow the rules of the game or possibly do not understand them. From the numbers below that is the only conclusion one could come to. PENALTIES BY GAME: CDM 12 Downey 7 CDM 11 Palos Verdes 14 (PV w/ multiple player ejections and personal fouls) CDM 12 St. Francis 5 CDM 7 Lakewood 3 CDM 16 San Clemente 6 CDM 11 HB 7 CDM 11 Edison 1 CDM 8 Fountain Valley 2 CDM 5 Newport Harbor 3 CDM 93 Opponents 48 Some observations, the only game in which CDM was not the more penalized team was the 20-10 win at Palos Verdes. The only "close" game. All the others have been "blow out" games, games in which MDad and others have termed "equalizer" or let's keep this from getting any worse yellow flags. Are they so? And how do teams getting shellacked only commit a penalty or two the entire 48 minutes? I suppose they just get out of the way and stand down. Over the last 3 games CDM's opponents have average just 2 penalties a game. Yes 2! So how did CDM finally arrive at game 9 on their schedule and only get a season low 5 penalties called against them...? Answer: no need to flag the Newport kids they are on both sides of the ball tonight...! Do you want to break those down by category or are you just going to throw them all into one pile. I can do it for you if you'd like but you won't like the results. I'll do the Hudl work for you. Coaching and disciplinary fouls are the most called, that's a fact. If you don't want those types of fouls, get better at fouling. |
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Post by Bick on Oct 30, 2019 9:40:12 GMT -8
Like most everything, there really should be a better education of the masses when it comes to officiating.
So please... Pick one of those CDM games and post the results.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 30, 2019 12:26:18 GMT -8
Get better at fouling? Seriously? In a sport where there is literally a foul/penalty or near penalty on every play... Could it be where one is looking? I appreciate the heck out of what you do Zebra and am by no way saying some penalties are not warranted or very well earned..... but I would love to know how many schools average 2 penalties a game...? I know you looked at the SC game as I simply brought up the point had there not been such a discrepinsy that the score would have been MUCH bigger in spread. And I won't be able to see you eye to eye when you post what you see but you can't tell me with a straight face that in blow out games teams getting beaten bad are not getting a little help...... or as some would say, a little handicapping or weight added being added to the front runner.
I think we all get frustrated at the high school level more so, the checks and balances are not as established as say the NCAA or NFL. Add replay to that and challenges and it makes the high school game, calls, non-calls and missed-calls all the more apparent or forefront in ones eyes. Again I am not trying to blame or point fingers but to better the game. I do not think that anyone of us here doesn't respect the effort and challenges the high school referee faces every game.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 31, 2019 18:48:16 GMT -8
Any refs out there agree with stand up class ac seniort Stanford commit John Humphreys.....? They hold him every play...., interesting, I'm sideline and I don't ever see it called...., case in point. They don't call it because they ain't gone help him...... when he is beatin' them. #CallItBothWays
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Post by Credo on Nov 1, 2019 23:05:01 GMT -8
28-0 at halftime. Largely uneventful 2nd half. Noah Fifita with 5 TD passes.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Nov 1, 2019 23:14:03 GMT -8
28-0 at halftime. Largely uneventful 2nd half. Noah Fifita with 5 TD passes. And congratulations to the sophomore QB for eclipsing the Servite school record for TD passes in one season which was 30, held by Greg Cicero in 13 games in 1996. Fifita now has 33. |
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