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Post by davidsf on Feb 17, 2019 7:04:22 GMT -8
Let your random thoughts fly. I played football at Anaheim for one season, as a sophomore. Even at Summer Workouts, called “Donnely’s Workouts” I immediately fell on the wrong side of Tom Fitzpatrick and Larry Golden because of my smart mouth.
I also swam for Jon Urbanchek, of Olympic fame.
In TOB, we were all familiar with a certain “lodge” father who lived vicariously (and pushed incessantly) through his son...
What do you think is right or wrong today with High School Sports or athletes?
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Post by Bick on Feb 17, 2019 8:17:03 GMT -8
In a word... money. With the cost of a college education, and the dream of the multi-million dollar professional salary, the financial incentives for becoming a RECOGNIZED top-level HS athlete, is driving all kinds of behavior that did not exist 20-30 years ago. Rather than characterize this as "good" or "bad", I think it's important to recognize yet again that all activity is driven by incentive regardless of the arena, be it political or HS sports. There are most certainly consequences as well that are perceived as positive and negative. Here's a few... - Higher level of play at top schools
- Higher incidence of Transfers
- Coaching turnover
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Post by davidsf on Feb 17, 2019 12:21:47 GMT -8
Our local professional baseball team just made the leap to a Summer, wood bat collegiate league. Which means we will no longer have players on their trip back down from AA or A ball, but all the players will still be in college and looking to make that great impression on the plethora scouts that will now be in the stands.
I mention this “not” HS aspect because of the points you raise above, higher level of play, much higher level of transfer (teams change each summer), and a lot of coaching turnover.
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Post by Bick on Feb 19, 2019 12:08:05 GMT -8
In TOB, we were all familiar with a certain “lodge” father who lived vicariously (and pushed incessantly) through his son... I just caught this one. Half the stuff Max wrote flew well over my head - probably because I was more of a casual observer than actively engaged with that stuff. Those were fun times having him go on about NH lore, and mixing it up with Wiley amongst others. I met both of them IRL, and found them both to be pretty good guys. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 21, 2019 7:26:43 GMT -8
They made me a member of the lodge and I asked them to remove me, thereby sealing my fate as an enemy of the lodge. <shrug>
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Post by Bick on Feb 21, 2019 8:38:20 GMT -8
I thought the lodge was a group of newport guys that met over at the Goat Hill Tavern.
Who was part of that group besides Max?
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Post by SK80 on Feb 21, 2019 9:38:18 GMT -8
Ya thats where you could find old Tar Goats that like to gloat.... but ya can't find them much anymore! Call me the CDM JQP if you like but can we BAN all things NH! {Insert sarcastic smirk emoji here!}
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Post by davidsf on Feb 21, 2019 10:23:19 GMT -8
I thought the lodge was a group of newport guys that met over at the Goat Hill Tavern. Who was part of that group besides Max? Paul, Crayegg, and JQP are the only members I remember. and you’re right about it’s inception at the Goat Hill Tavern. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 21, 2019 10:47:29 GMT -8
Max could be funny at times, but his constant fantasizing about Catholic high school girls in their short plaid skirts used to creep me out.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 21, 2019 14:03:52 GMT -8
 Blast from the past. Not all lodge members, I think. August 2, 2008. Notice I posted no names. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 22, 2019 6:22:57 GMT -8
Day-um, brother... I remember that photo!
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 25, 2019 13:41:02 GMT -8
This says it all!
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Post by Credo on Feb 25, 2019 15:31:30 GMT -8
Now let's see some teeth put into this. I'd like to see the Trinity League come up with its own policies in this area and thus police itself. Let Bosco go the way of IMG if they want, and scramble to find opponents to fill their 10-game schedule.
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Post by Bick on Feb 25, 2019 15:53:28 GMT -8
I don't agree with Wigod's take for a couple reasons.
First, loyalty is generally a person to person condition, as opposed to loyalty to an institution. With coaching turnover in excess of 20% each year, 4 of 5 kids playing will experience the loss of that primary person he was loyal to.
Secondly, equating working through adversity is a much different condition than attempting to put yourself in the best opportunity to enhance the chances of getting an education paid for. Change is never easy. In fact, it's often harder to change the scenery than it is to accept the status quo.
The transfer problem is NOT a function of loyalty, and its solution needs to be centered around who, other than the student, benefits from the transfer.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 25, 2019 16:13:02 GMT -8
I don't agree with Wigod's take for a couple reasons. First, loyalty is generally a person to person condition, as opposed to loyalty to an institution. With coaching turnover in excess of 20% each year, 4 of 5 kids playing will experience the loss of that primary person he was loyal to. Wigod didn't say loyalty to an institution alone. That was just one small part of it.
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