Luca
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Post by Luca on Oct 5, 2019 13:32:01 GMT -8
Just keep telling yourself there's nothing there...ROFL. People already did that with the Russian Collusion Crisis bombshells and subsequent Obstruction of Justice Crisis bombshells. It becomes a learned response after awhile. That said, it annoys the hell out of me that an American president publicly encouraged the Chinese to investigate a political opponent. There are some lines that should not be crossed, and he cannot seem to recognize them. Although it makes me wonder if he is deliberately throwing caution to the wind in doing everything he can to blow Biden out of the water, which I think is going to happen as more information becomes available. In so doing he might be hoping to hand Warren the Democratic nomination by default, knowing that however bad he looks she is even less electable. Hell. It looks like I might not be voting for a president for the second election in a row....................................Luca
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MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Oct 5, 2019 13:49:31 GMT -8
Hell. It looks like I might not be voting for a president for the second election in a row....................................Luca Proving that when faced with having a choice between a bullcrap sandwich and a horsecrap sandwich, some people have the good sense to walk away.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Oct 5, 2019 15:15:50 GMT -8
it IS about Biden... and the press irritates him by asking him about it.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Oct 5, 2019 22:41:22 GMT -8
Anyone in the media interested in interviewing Hunter Biden? (who appears to have entered the same witness protection program that Robert Mueller was enrolled in for the two years he was "investigating" a CIA-instigated hoax)
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 4:57:46 GMT -8
So you're "annoyed". What do you think should be done about trump's behavior? Ignore it and hope he stops?
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 5:01:29 GMT -8
Why would Hunter Biden be interested in being interviewed? What's in it for him?
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 5:03:13 GMT -8
BTW, you may be impressed, but simply asking "what is he hiding" is not making an argument. Got anything more than trump or is your argument that weak?
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Oct 6, 2019 6:53:45 GMT -8
Back to a pragmatic take on all things Russia, all thing Ukraine..., all thing media, fake news, Democrats and impeachment.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Oct 6, 2019 7:03:01 GMT -8
So you're "annoyed". What do you think should be done about trump's behavior? Ignore it and hope he stops? The way it works is the same way it worked with Barack Obama. If a president is doing something that you oppose or annoys you, you vote against him the next time he comes up for election. Then it stops.
If he does something that violates the law, then you rely on the legal system to take the appropriate steps.......................Luca
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Oct 6, 2019 7:23:52 GMT -8
Why would Hunter Biden be interested in being interviewed? What's in it for him? The question was whether anyone would be interested in interviewing Hunter Biden, not whether he himself would be interested in being interviewed. Were he innocent of wrongdoing, it would be an opportunity to clear him and his father of accusations. Given that you expressed interest in so many being questioned during the Russian collusion crisis and the obstruction of justice crisis, it would seem that you would also be interested in Biden being at least “interviewed” regarding his behavior during his father’s time in office.................Luca
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 7:48:08 GMT -8
Which is exactly what's going on with the impeachment inquiry. The law is being followed.
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 7:54:40 GMT -8
Not really. An interview is voluntary.
So what you're saying is that any accusation deserves some sort of "investigation"?
My understanding is that the press looked into these allegations back in April and determined there was nothing to the accusations of wrongdoing, so I'm curious as to why you're seemingly unaware of that.
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 6, 2019 8:01:10 GMT -8
Yeah, it was pretty solid. 2nd whistleblower comes forward after speaking with IG: AttorneyMark Zaid, the attorney representing the whistleblower who sounded the alarm on President Donald Trump's dealings with Ukraine and triggered an impeachment inquiry, tells ABC News that he is now representing a second whistleblower who has spoken with the inspector general.
Zaid tells ABC News' Chief Anchor George Stephanopoulos that the second person -- also described as an intelligence official -- has first-hand knowledge of some of the allegations outlined in the original complaint and has been interviewed by the head of the intelligence community's internal watchdog office, Michael Atkinson.abcnews.go.com/Politics/2nd-whistleblower-forward-speaking-ig-attorney/story?id=66092396Your strategy of attacking the news media is really paying off. Keep defending the idiot in the Oval Office, he'd do the same for you.
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Oct 6, 2019 11:28:20 GMT -8
vilepagan said: Which is exactly what's going on with the impeachment inquiry. The law is being followed.
We agree. And if it is objectively determined that Donald Trump delivered to the Ukrainian leader a quid pro quo of trading American aid for the specific purpose of investigating a political opponent, then I think that meets the criteria of high crimes and misdemeanors and he should be impeached
This of course is in contrast to the charade of the last 2 or 3 years in which false accusations were improperly submitted in order to initiate a legal investigation. This was wrong and the individuals and leads involved in the charade should naturally be investigated.
vilepagan said: Not really. An interview is voluntary.
?? "Not really" what? Of course a media interview is voluntary. The media cannot subpoena or force an interview. I don't understand your point.
My point is that were he innocent of wrongdoing, it would be an opportunity to clear him and his father of accusations. Certainly, it's his call to make.
vilepagan said: So what you're saying is that any accusation deserves some sort of "investigation"?
For the sake of amicability, I will assume that I write poorly, not that you don’t comprehend well.
No, I did not intend to remotely imply that "any accusation deserves some sort of investigation". The sequence here is that Credo initially asked "Anyone in the media interested in interviewing Hunter Biden?"
To which you replied "What's in it for him?"
I then pointed out that a media interview would give him an opportunity to clear the air regarding the reasonable questions about payments he received while his father was the vice president.
I did not mean for you to conclude from this that "any accusation deserves some sort of investigation" and I apologize if through my own clack of clarity the sequence implied that to you..............................Luca
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 6, 2019 12:32:56 GMT -8
2nd whistleblower comes forward after speaking with IG: AttorneyYour strategy of attacking the news media is really paying off. Keep defending the idiot in the Oval Office, he'd do the same for you. That first sentence is completely misleading and factually incorrect. The person in question, who the press is calling the 2nd whistle blower, has not filed a complaint nor has he come forward about anything. He has just retained an attorney, who is spewing out talking points that many on the left are hungering for. That means he is not a whistle blower, he is just a government employee. If & when he files a complaint, then & only then is he a whistle blower. That is the case for every single government employee. Heck, Mike Pence might file a complaint about something President Trump did or said, but he is not a whistle blower until he does, even if he talks with an attorney as well. The news media has spent decades acting like a propaganda arm for the Democratic party & far left. If you can't see that because of your bias, then it makes perfect sense why you would imagine that my distrust of them equals defending Trump.
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