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Post by captaintrips on Nov 22, 2019 19:09:21 GMT -8
It's fascinating how people with different political bents see the same things through entirely different eyes. Every day, after every "witness", the usual suspects on TOB are in consensus that Trump has just been crucified by the latest one. Here, every witness is seen as just spreading more nothing sauce on a nothing burger. And the last three days' headlines in the L.A. Times have been: " White House Aids Testify That Trump Call Was Troubling" (That's a little bit of an editorial stretch.) " Sondland Implicates President" (That one's kind a stunner, as I got just the opposite impression.) " Impeachment Witnesses Sound A Harsh Warning" (I thought witnesses were supposed to testify about what they saw or heard, not offer political conjecture of what members of the opposition party might be thinking.) I wonder how many of those on TOB have listened to or watched the actual sessions instead of taking their tag lines from the latest edited clip or meme (or headline). i have have just come from such an argument. I asked for specific evidence they’ve heard from these sessions that points to Trumps culpability. what I got first was a defense of hearsay evidence. Next, I got a demand “we” force Trump staff to testify to his wrongdoing (prejudicial buss, noted)... this is very similar, in fact, eerily similar to conversations I’ve had the last few days...unfortunately, some of them with people I ordinarily respect. This "impeachment" garbage is going nowhere ... as it's been going. There has been nothing found - beyond the lefts hate & anger - to impeach the current president for. They like to make a lot of noise. They like to tell many lies - and they do every day - with their media tools. But it will go nowhere. It will go nowhere, because president Trump has done nothing to justify impeaching a president over.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 23, 2019 11:48:15 GMT -8
I wonder how many of those on TOB have listened to or watched the actual sessions instead of taking their tag lines from the latest edited clip or meme (or headline). i have have just come from such an argument. I asked for specific evidence they’ve heard from these sessions that points to Trumps culpability. what I got first was a defense of hearsay evidence. Next, I got a demand “we” force Trump staff to testify to his wrongdoing (prejudicial buss, noted)... this is very similar, in fact, eerily similar to conversations I’ve had the last few days...unfortunately, some of them with people I ordinarily respect. This "impeachment" garbage is going nowhere ... as it's been going. There has been nothing found - beyond the lefts hate & anger - to impeach the current president for. They like to make a lot of noise. They like to tell many lies - and they do every day - with their media tools. But it will go nowhere. It will go nowhere, because president Trump has done nothing to justify impeaching a president over. All of this is true, but the haters don’t see it (or at least won’t acknowledge it)... just yesterday, I had a hater link me to a 38 second clip from Sondland’s opening statement (he insisted) proved Trumps guilt. Had he watched the full 41 minutes, he would have heard quite the opposite. When I inked him to the whole thing, he wouldn’t even ostensibly to it.
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Post by captaintrips on Nov 23, 2019 14:41:46 GMT -8
This "impeachment" garbage is going nowhere ... as it's been going. There has been nothing found - beyond the lefts hate & anger - to impeach the current president for. They like to make a lot of noise. They like to tell many lies - and they do every day - with their media tools. But it will go nowhere. It will go nowhere, because president Trump has done nothing to justify impeaching a president over. All of this is true, but the haters don’t see it (or at least won’t acknowledge it)... just yesterday, I had a hater link me to a 38 second clip from Sondland’s opening statement (he insisted) proved Trumps guilt. Had he watched the full 41 minutes, he would have heard quite the opposite. When I inked him to the whole thing, he wouldn’t even ostensibly to it. That's the way the progressive mind doesn't work. Completely ignore that which doesn't support their position, whether it be science, data, other evidence or history, and continue on as if those items never existed. This is what we call fantasy. Then they get angry when shown that they're operating from a position of fantasy. It's entertaining and worrisome at the same time...
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Post by Credo on Nov 23, 2019 20:55:24 GMT -8
Well, well....
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Post by Credo on Nov 25, 2019 20:28:12 GMT -8
Not a good sign for the impeachment crowd. Looks like the Democrats may be taking this week as a chance to formulate a graceful way of backing away from impeachment. Pelosi has to be regretting trusting Adam Schiff to deliver the goods, which he never had and never will.
A party-line vote to "censure" Trump might be as good as it gets for them.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 26, 2019 9:54:49 GMT -8
Not a good sign for the impeachment crowd. Looks like the Democrats may be taking this week as a chance to formulate a graceful way of backing away from impeachment. Pelosi has to be regretting trusting Adam Schiff to deliver the goods, which he never had and never will. A party-line vote to "censure" Trump might be as good as it gets for them. No more than she acknowledged regret for propping up Robert Mueller to deliver those goods...
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Post by SK80 on Nov 26, 2019 11:10:05 GMT -8
As the media loves to regurgitate this line against Trump, "The walls are closing in"..., I think they may need to direct that now at one Adam Schiff...... Adam Schiff: The Sacrificial Lamb townhall.com/columnists/paulcurry/2019/11/26/adam-schiff-the-sacrificial-lamb-n2557067The Democrats’ tireless effort to remove President Trump from office via impeachment will fail. That much, along with death and taxes, is certain. There is no longer a question as to whether the Democrats will lose in their quest to upend 2016, the only remaining unknowns are where, when, and how badly. And, of course, who is to take the blame? If the buzz around Washington is to be believed, it’s Adam Schiff.The Democrats have their choice as to where they will fail, which, in large part, can help determine the extent of the self-inflicted damage their party will ultimately suffer. They can lose in the House by failing to garner enough votes from their own caucus to secure impeachment, or, if they so choose, they can lose in the Senate on a much larger and more damning stage. Either way, they lose. great read ~~~> townhall.com/columnists/paulcurry/2019/11/26/adam-schiff-the-sacrificial-lamb-n2557067
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Post by tarmac on Nov 26, 2019 11:18:40 GMT -8
If Pelosi wants to stop this she need to tell Schiff to sabotage the hearings. Let the republicans bring their witnesses to speak. Make it look like there is not enough evidence to go forward. Judiciary Committee with Jerry Nadler will kill this before any vote.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 28, 2019 9:20:21 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Nov 29, 2019 16:00:29 GMT -8
Evidence you can’t fix stupid: Adam Schiff planning more impeachment hearings
I suppose we SHOULD take into consideration that, not only is he a liberal zealot from California, but THIS is his only chance to live in the limelight (such as it is)... personally, I tend to want to stop digging when I find myself in a hole that is too deep. Maybe he’s just following Pelosi’s orders?
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Post by duke on Nov 29, 2019 17:00:44 GMT -8
Have they passed the baton to Jerry Nadler now, or are they going to run 2 investigations at the same time?
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Post by davidsf on Nov 29, 2019 17:43:50 GMT -8
According to tha article, this is on Schiff, because he failed to show any actual witnesses to Trumps “high crimes.”
I’m sure Pelosi gave him a proper drubbing.
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Post by Credo on Dec 1, 2019 18:30:15 GMT -8
This past week was intermission in Democrat Political Theater.
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Post by davidsf on Dec 2, 2019 9:22:09 GMT -8
Have they passed the baton to Jerry Nadler now, or are they going to run 2 investigations at the same time? I misspoke. yes, it now appear it’s Nadler’s job as head of the Judiciary Committee to decide whether or not to bring articles of impeachment against Trump. and, if he is intent on doing it, he better hurry: FIRST, everyone knows the Senate will make short work of this nothing-burger, but more importantly, Schiff was not able to present a compelling case and so had to wrap it up prematurely (remember Schiff, like Mueller before him, initially wanted to draw his hearings out as long as possible) because he was never able to convince the voters, and, now, even some democrats are turning off, especially those facing swing elections. a bonus is, we already know and love (meaning “disparage”) Nader.
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Post by Credo on Dec 4, 2019 15:36:14 GMT -8
Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH) calls out the Democrat's impeachment sham today:
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