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Post by Bick on Feb 6, 2020 8:48:01 GMT -8
If you listen to the lay people on the street, they don't seem to even know why he should be removed. Don't think they're malicious per se. I think they're just uninformed Maybe not UN-informed so much as informed inaccurately. Isn’t this the issue we chronically face when arguing with over-zealous denizens of either side? they take a headline or a Facebook meme and, without any sort of validation or any semblance of critical thinking, propound that idea as sound and compelling... until asked to support it or even explain it. to SK80’s point, THIS is the willfully ignorant voter I fear: They who are so easily manipulated. Do you think they realize they are being manipulated? Would you apply that to the right as well? |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 6, 2020 9:13:27 GMT -8
Maybe not UN-informed so much as informed inaccurately. Isn’t this the issue we chronically face when arguing with over-zealous denizens of either side? they take a headline or a Facebook meme and, without any sort of validation or any semblance of critical thinking, propound that idea as sound and compelling... until asked to support it or even explain it. to SK80’s point, THIS is the willfully ignorant voter I fear: They who are so easily manipulated. Do you think they realize they are being manipulated? Would you apply that to the right as well? It applies to much of the population Bick. Does willfully ignorant = willfully manipulated....? Hmmmm..... |
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Post by Bick on Feb 6, 2020 9:56:42 GMT -8
Do you think they realize they are being manipulated? Would you apply that to the right as well? It applies to much of the population Bick. Does willfully ignorant = willfully manipulated....? Hmmmm..... It seems clear that both sides are quick to judge the other as being manipulated. When do we turn the spotlight on ourselves at THIS site? |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 6, 2020 10:06:06 GMT -8
Maybe not UN-informed so much as informed inaccurately. Isn’t this the issue we chronically face when arguing with over-zealous denizens of either side? they take a headline or a Facebook meme and, without any sort of validation or any semblance of critical thinking, propound that idea as sound and compelling... until asked to support it or even explain it. to SK80’s point, THIS is the willfully ignorant voter I fear: They who are so easily manipulated. Do you think they realize they are being manipulated? Would you apply that to the right as well? Yes. As I said, “...over-zealous denizens of either side...” no, I do not believe they realize they are being manipulated, based on abundant experience arguing with them. It does not seem to matter how often I point out the logical fallacies they have consumed and, then, employed, or the conditional statements in the sources they reference, they still chant the same word tracks, often, verbatim from things I’ve witnessed their “leadership” tout. in that regard, they ARE uninformed, as you say, but uninformed as to the process of being duped. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 6, 2020 10:07:31 GMT -8
It applies to much of the population Bick. Does willfully ignorant = willfully manipulated....? Hmmmm..... It seems clear that both sides are quick to judge the other as being manipulated. When do we turn the spotlight on ourselves at THIS site? Several of us do so regularly, and it starts with the ability to acknowledge I’m wrong (or I misunderstood). |
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Post by Bick on Feb 6, 2020 10:50:18 GMT -8
It seems clear that both sides are quick to judge the other as being manipulated. When do we turn the spotlight on ourselves at THIS site? Several of us do so regularly, and it starts with the ability to acknowledge I’m wrong (or I misunderstood). The reason I bring this up is that only one of us did NOT dismiss the Romney vote out of hand as being some sort of vendetta. There's a lot of what we'd consider to be smart people thinking the right is being duped by trump. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 6, 2020 11:00:44 GMT -8
I haven't read nor listened to Mitt's entire explanation and I should before I further comment, but lets agree that Mitts vendetta and emotion was part of it and I am certain Trump when knowing what Biden was doing in Ukraine didn't get a little bit of an emotional jolt knowing his likely opponent is gonna go down when busted for what most are knowing saying the Bidens did some shady favors overseas.
Which gets me back to this is POLITICS, this is how humans behave, yet I see now HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS here... was the last 3 years really worth it...?
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Post by SK80 on Feb 6, 2020 11:10:59 GMT -8
Let me add this on your pointing out here that but ONE..... Its game day and Bick and SK80 are at their local pub, (yes for lunch!) when they notice a book on a barstool that reads Griffin/SeaKing playbook....., do either when no one is looking take a quick peek, flip a couple pages or snap a pic on their iPhones..? Same goes for the "privates and their parts at the local massage parlor that same afternoon, the Professor/MDDad notice a locker door ajar, in heading over to close it for a fellow saint, a playbook falls out on the floor, Frier/Monarchs on the cover, like peeking in on the sauna while the other isn't watching, do either flip through the pages for a quickie?  So in either scenario, which ONE is truly the SAINT and does not take a look turning the book into the Lost & Found ! Maybe I should change that to SJB instead of Service as I know MDDad will reply I wouldn't look, no need to! I'm a SAINT! I might do the same thing if I were out on my yacht and a Newport Harbor Sailor play note was floating in a bottle....., I'd simply throw it back, no need to look! |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 6, 2020 11:39:03 GMT -8
Several of us do so regularly, and it starts with the ability to acknowledge I’m wrong (or I misunderstood). The reason I bring this up is that only one of us did NOT dismiss the Romney vote out of hand as being some sort of vendetta. There's a lot of what we'd consider to be smart people thinking the right is being duped by trump. The way I see it, ONE Republican, out of the 250 who make up the House and the Senate, supported 1 of the articles. to me, that is not an indicator of the rest of them being duped unless there is some kind of mass hypnosis and Trump is an evil genius. there has to be another reason only .004 of the GOP supported one article. |
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Post by RSM789 on Feb 6, 2020 12:15:25 GMT -8
And that 1 man has made public that he believes Trump is a fraud & a phony and was publicly humiliated by Trump later when he was not given a Cabinet position he was asking for.
As cops say, look at motive.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 6, 2020 16:25:46 GMT -8
Do you think they realize they are being manipulated? Would you apply that to the right as well? Bick, I don't think it's manipulation as much as it is affirmation. I believe it's human nature to look for reasons to believe what we want to believe. It doesn't matter if it's Trump colluding with Russia, or that the Clintons had people mysteriously killed, or whether Jeffrey Epstein was murdered or committed suicide, or that Mater Dei and St. John Bosco get more top players because they're doing something nefarious that other schools aren't. We are constantly looking for affirmation that what we believe is true really is. It's true of the intelligent as well as the stupid, and it's true of both the left and the right. Unfortunately, there are hundreds of politicians, hundreds of news outlets, and millions of self-proclaimed experts on social media who will provide us with that comfort level, regardless of whether it it real or made up. Some may be manipulated against their will, particularly children and the young, but I think many more go looking for it and invite it. Second, neither the left nor the right has a monopoly on intelligence, or good intentions, or valuable ideas. Despite the rhetoric (and it's all you hear on TOB, and getting to be most of what you hear on this forum), there is intelligence, integrity and viable solutions on both sides. I think it's incumbent on us to admit that, and to look for it, and to work with it, but I fear we're close to or past the point where we are willing to do that. |
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Post by SK80 on Feb 6, 2020 16:42:40 GMT -8
I found one bit of FAKENEWS in the post above...
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Post by captaintrips on Feb 6, 2020 17:40:49 GMT -8
We interrupt our regularly scheduled program to bring you an important message.
This entire "impeachment" fraud has been brought to you by the same people who have been creating fraudulent accusations and finding fraudulent accusers to destroy people for a very long time.
Demorats have been playing;
"We have to find someone willing to "'come forward' with slanders & lies to destroy this person. We will use the 'media' as our tool to assist in this persons destruction."
For a long time.
These people are sick. Willing to do anything to win.
Immoral, unethical, I call it sick & evil.
"clarence thomas brett kavanaugh and president trump the left has only one playbook"
Make up a story. Use the "media" to slander & destroy.
Evil Dishonest
I won't put the entire article here, find it & read it if you're interested in more details... clue to link at end of this post
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. .The left has only one playbook
Every American should see the new film Clarence Thomas: In His Own Words.
It is a beautiful film about his life, told in his own voice.
The reason it is so relevant is that his story, especially in the left's attempt to block his confirmation to the SCOTUS because he by then was a conservative black man, has lessons for today.
So what again did the left do? They began with the "let's get a woman to accuse him of sexual harassment" play.
Out of nowhere came the loathsome Anita Hill to duly spill her fabricated tale of phony woe that was meant to stop his confirmation.
Seeing these scenes from that "high-tech lynching," which it most certainly was, is an apt reminder of how far and how viciously the left is willing to go to get its way.
Joe Biden, then the head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is so sneering, so intent upon humiliating Thomas, that one is reminded why he should never get close to the Oval Office again. Biden is truly a vile man.
And who are the racists in this tale?
The truth of that is abundantly clear: it is the Democrats and the usual suspects in the media who cannot abide a conservative black man in their midst and will do anything, no matter how underhanded, to destroy such a man.
It is almost surreal to watch the scenes from the Thomas "trial" because it tracks so precisely with what the Democrats then did to Brett Kavanaugh.
All of this brings us to the Democrats' repeated attempts to impeach President Trump, each shot based on wholly fabricated nonsense, from the Russia hoax invented and paid for by the Clinton campaign to the most recent orchestrated scheme by Adam Schiff over a phone call.
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americanthinker dot com clarence thomas brett kavanaugh and president trump the left has only one playbook
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Post by captaintrips on Feb 6, 2020 18:24:44 GMT -8
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Post by RSM789 on Feb 6, 2020 20:09:32 GMT -8
...Despite the rhetoric (and it's all you hear on TOB, and getting to be most of what you hear on this forum), there is intelligence, integrity and viable solutions on both sides... That is wrong and is basically rationalization for sitting on the fence and hoping to appear wise by saying "you both are correct". Just because you can't decide which side is right doesn't make them both viable. As an example, look at the economy over the past 100 years and the policies that have caused it to stagnate or crash and those policies that have led to it grow. Time after time after time, policies favored by the left hurt the economy while those favored by the right help the economy, no matter what politician or political party implemented them. Hoovers & FDR both applied the same basic economic policies of government control to the Great Depression and the result was it dragging out over a decade, a mistake repeated by Obama. A Republican led congress and president decided to "work with the democrats" in regards to guaranteeing loans to people who never should have got them and we ended up crashing the economy in 2008. The solutions promoted by Reagan, Gingrich and Trump were success's, helping the economy by getting the government out of the way. The ideas and solutions for the economy promoted by the left are just plain incorrect and do not work, no matter who implements them. Trying to gain favor with the left by patting them on the head and saying "OK, now we will do things your way" is nothing more than a fools journey. As another example, look at the large cities that have been run by the left for decades and compare them to areas that have been run by the right. No comparison, as those on the left have become literal shitholes, their streets filled with mentally ill addicts, crime and a disregard of the police. That is the lefts "intelligence" given free reign, allowed to run its course and the end result is failure. If ones goal is liberty, why would you ever consider the ideas of people who want to make the government larger and larger to have intelligence or integrity? Lastly, you have bashed this forum multiple times, complaining that we are becoming a mirror image of TOB. Again, you are just plain wrong. The fact that I and Dave are allowed to post freely on the same site as Vile Pagan is proof enough that Bick has created something very different than TOB. |
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