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Post by Credo on Feb 18, 2020 13:47:36 GMT -8
Turns out a senator who voted to impeach the President for his dealings with our Ukrainian ally was secretly conducting his own foreign policy with our foremost enemy. In a sane world this is called treason.
Such are the principles of the Democratic Party.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 19, 2020 8:02:05 GMT -8
Turns out a senator who voted to impeach the President for his dealings with our Ukrainian ally was secretly conducting his own foreign policy with our foremost enemy. In a sane world this is called treason. Such are the principles of the Democratic Party. I read the entire report on his trip, although, admittedly it was his own report, so definitely not an impartial outsiders view. Aside from the (democrat) required jabs at the President, I saw nothing treasonous in any of his meetings. I’ll-advised, yes... but not treasonous. he claimed to want to show Ukraine and Iran we are united... but in doing so, he demonstrated how divided we are. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 19, 2020 8:11:10 GMT -8
Yes, I agree, treason is likely a rhetorical stretch. But just imagine the media reaction if a Republican senator, during the Obama administration, was engaging in undisclosed meetings with foreign leaders with the purpose of undermining the President's policies vis-a-vis those nations.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 19, 2020 11:00:19 GMT -8
Yes, I agree, treason is likely a rhetorical stretch. But just imagine the media reaction if a Republican senator, during the Obama administration, was engaging in undisclosed meetings with foreign leaders with the purpose of undermining the President's policies vis-a-vis those nations. It was, at minimum, self-serving and stupid. but, democrats got to democrat. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 19, 2020 13:50:42 GMT -8
Yes, I agree, treason is likely a rhetorical stretch. But just imagine the media reaction if a Republican senator, during the Obama administration, was engaging in undisclosed meetings with foreign leaders with the purpose of undermining the President's policies vis-a-vis those nations. It was, at minimum, self-serving and stupid. but, democrats got to democrat. And the media got to Democrat, too. |
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Post by Credo on Feb 20, 2020 8:49:32 GMT -8
Yet another Democrat hoax has been deflated--this one being the "John Bolton testimony cover-up" hysteria during the waning days of impeachment (did that really happen?). It was nothing more than a pathetic Hail Mary attempt to drag out the process for months on end.
I hate to keep having to say I told you so......
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Post by SK80 on Feb 20, 2020 9:22:46 GMT -8
“I will bet you a dollar right here and now my testimony would have made no difference to the ultimate outcome.” ~ Bolton
I'll say it again..., because from the get go of the entire thing there was NEVER a CRIME!
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Post by MDDad on Feb 20, 2020 9:35:59 GMT -8
Well, that may not be so much a ringing endorsement of innocence as it is a condemnation of Senators having made up their minds before the trial. I think one could safely have made the same bet on the O.J.Simpson trial if The Juice had been found with Nicole's severed head.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 20, 2020 9:45:05 GMT -8
Suppose we are still a lawful system that doesn't convict on assumptions, allegations, circumstantial evidence. not to mention tampering, mishandling, leaking and all the other shenanigans involved. I think it boils down to Impeachment, meaning HIGH CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS. That was not the case here.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 20, 2020 9:56:22 GMT -8
I agree, although the term "misdemeanor" has a much different meaning today than it did then. For example, I don't think a president should be impeached and removed from office for disorderly conduct or reckless driving, both of which are misdemeanors today.
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Post by Bick on Feb 22, 2020 7:58:14 GMT -8
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Post by SK80 on Feb 22, 2020 11:21:26 GMT -8
Yet people are moving away from "parties" and becoming more independent. I believe the Founders had it right with representatives from Congressional districts, however "WE THE PEOPLE" elect some really bad representatives. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 22, 2020 11:31:35 GMT -8
Pretty difficult to put much credibility in the process that is so partisan in nature now. Party loyalty trumps integrity. If you look at the impeachment votes going back to Andrew Johnson, in both the House and the Senate, they have all been almost unanimously partisan, at least on one side. Nothing has really changed other than the pettiness of the charges. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 22, 2020 11:37:03 GMT -8
Both Nixon and Clinton had SOME crossover, but yeah, almost entirely partisan. Pretty much a joke.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 22, 2020 11:45:57 GMT -8
Clinton had between 1 and 5 Democrats (out of 205) vote to impeach on each of the four articles. In the Senate trial, all 45 Democrats voted not guilty.
Nixon's impeachment articles never came to a vote in the House.
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