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Post by MDDad on Nov 3, 2019 7:28:01 GMT -8
I think you underestimate the intelligence of the average Democratic voter. That's impossible. |
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Post by vilepagan on Nov 3, 2019 8:02:14 GMT -8
Because we're all a bunch of idiots, right MDDad?
Yet it's your side that elected the moron in the Oval Office.
I think that's the real reason you blame liberals for his election...you just don't want credit for the dumpster fire that is trump's presidency.
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Post by MDDad on Nov 3, 2019 8:51:30 GMT -8
I blame liberals for a lot of things, but not Trump's election.
Well, except for the fact that they nominated possibly the only person on the planet that couldn't beat him.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 3, 2019 9:04:33 GMT -8
How did Jimmy Carter dodge the impeachment bullet? He was a gentleman and completely unsuited for that office. He wasn’t impeached because, nice as he was, he didn’t do anything... and, least of all, anything objectionable. He is and was a great humanitarian and I have respected him for that aspect of the man... but he wasn’t a competent president. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 3, 2019 11:17:21 GMT -8
How did Jimmy Carter dodge the impeachment bullet? He was a gentleman and completely unsuited for that office. He wasn’t impeached because, nice as he was, he didn’t do anything... and, least of all, anything objectionable. He is and was a great humanitarian and I have respected him for that aspect of the man... but he wasn’t a competent president. Interesting word that "competent". How many recent presidents would you consider competent? |
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 3, 2019 12:03:50 GMT -8
Interesting word that "competent". How many recent presidents would you consider competent? Since I was born - Kennedy - potentially competent Johnson - competent Nixon - competent Ford - incompetent Carter - incompetent Reagan - competent Bush I - incompetent Clinton - competent Bush II - forced competent following 9/11 Obama - incompetent when elected, grew into competent by 2nd term Trump - competent. |
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Post by RSM789 on Nov 3, 2019 12:14:29 GMT -8
I think you underestimate the intelligence of the average Democratic voter. Possibly, but there is a big difference between intelligence and wisdom. Further, when you throw in hair-on-fire emotionalism, often intelligence takes a back seat to craziness. Just ask that very intelligent female astronaut who drove cross country non-stop wearing a diaper (to eliminate potty stops) in order to chase off a rival for the man she professed to love. Her intelligence really didn't come into play in her decision making in that situation. There are literally millions of Democratic voters with high IQ's who have devolved into loons because of their emotional hatred of Trump. The reason they hate him is irrelevant, they are being driven by emotion, not logic, hence they don't know or don't care that Pence would be president if Trump were to be impeached. Their entire thought process about the presidency has been reduced to "Orange Man Bad". |
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Post by davidsf on Nov 3, 2019 13:43:18 GMT -8
He was a gentleman and completely unsuited for that office. He wasn’t impeached because, nice as he was, he didn’t do anything... and, least of all, anything objectionable. He is and was a great humanitarian and I have respected him for that aspect of the man... but he wasn’t a competent president. Interesting word that "competent". How many recent presidents would you consider competent? In my opinion, competence can only be measured in retrospect and as contrasted to incompetent (which, by the way, seems backwards)...further, a given President can be incompetent at one or two aspects of the job, but still be generally competent. Carter was incompetent as a president (competent as a man) Reagan competent Bush 1 and 2 were only marginally competent, but at least the latter had competence thrust upon him. Both were incompetent economically. Clinton might have been competent had he done anything besides occupy the office. I suppose he was competent at taking credit. Obama was incompetent... spent way too much time trying to fashion the U.S. into his own warped vision, exacerbated racial tension, had no idea how to lead jury is still out on Trump. But I’m inclined to nudge him over to competent because of what he has been able to do despite such ardent hatred flung his way Daily. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Nov 3, 2019 14:36:07 GMT -8
Interesting word that "competent". How many recent presidents would you consider competent? Since I was born - Kennedy - potentially competent Johnson - competent Nixon - competent Ford - incompetent Carter - incompetent Reagan - competent Bush I - incompetent Clinton - competent Bush II - forced competent following 9/11 Obama - incompetent when elected, grew into competent by 2nd term Trump - competent. I only disagree with one of those...Bush I was competent. Edit: Davidsf is right...Obama was incompetent. |
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Post by MDDad on Nov 3, 2019 15:18:25 GMT -8
Kennedy - potentially competent, but a sexual insatiate and a walking blackmail advertisement.
Johnson - competent, but a back-stabbing son of a bitch.
Nixon - competent, but a total prick as a human being.
Ford - incompetent, but seemingy a nice person.
Carter - incompetent, but a total sweetheart as a man.
Reagan - competent, but probably senile in his last couple years in office.
Bush I - incompetent, but had credentials out the wazoo.
Clinton - competent, but see Kennedy above. Plus he was a lying bastard.
Bush II - forced competent following 9/11, but often came across as having an IQ of about 80.
Obama - incompetent when elected, grew into competent by 2nd term, but a secretly conniving son of a bitch with a smile always on his face.
Trump - competent, maybe, but one of the worst human beings ever born.
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Post by Bick on Nov 3, 2019 15:26:50 GMT -8
MDDad - what are the bullet point things that make Trump one of the worst humans ever born? I assume there's a good bit of hyperbole there, and you're not really equating him to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 3, 2019 17:37:24 GMT -8
MDDad - what are the bullet point things that make Trump one of the worst humans ever born? I assume there's a good bit of hyperbole there, and you're not really equating him to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc. I think “worst human being” designation should be reserved for, as you suggest, the likes of Hitler or Stalin. more appropriate appellations for Trump might be punitive, puerile, arrogant, condescending... but competent as a president. |
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Post by Bick on Nov 3, 2019 17:49:13 GMT -8
MDDad - what are the bullet point things that make Trump one of the worst humans ever born? I assume there's a good bit of hyperbole there, and you're not really equating him to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc. I think “worst human being” designation should be reserved for, as you suggest, the likes of Hitler or Stalin. more appropriate appellations for Trump might be punitive, puerile, arrogant, condescending... but competent as a president. There's often this hyperbole, and I'm sure Luca has a word for the most extreme level of hyperbole known to man tucked away in his arsenal, that's associated with any and all things Trump, that carries such a weight so as to cloud any potential of objectivity as it relates to what he's actually done. Yeah - I've seen all the pejoratives associated with him, and regularly get called them because I don't join in on the hit parade with the rest of the woke crowd. I'm just curious what examples there are out there, beyond the childish tweets, that qualifies as him being one of the worst, non-murdering, heads of state ever born. |
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Post by SK80 on Nov 3, 2019 18:03:51 GMT -8
Dad is not alone, although the majority that share his sentiment are on the left. There are plenty of "Never Trumpers" out there. I wish we did not have the discourse in politics we do today. It boils over into society. Outside that I agree worst humans are wife beaters, child molesters, murderers, human and drug traffickers and so on. A bully with an iPhone and a twitter account not so much. I just can't put a pompous, bragging, domineering character in that same category.
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Post by Credo on Nov 3, 2019 22:06:20 GMT -8
Back to the topic of this thread:
Adam Schiff is trying to establish a new political "crime" in the Trump era: defending oneself from false accusations is now grounds for "obstruction of justice."
How convenient.
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