SK80
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Post by SK80 on Oct 12, 2019 6:43:08 GMT -8
Ironic that this article hit my computer this morning as I was about to post the exact same sentiment here on the High School Sports board. Is this the BEST Mater Dei team ever? For the most part I would defer that to some of you, yet in my opinion I would have to agree, they surely are. Just when you think a team can't ever get any better, they do. I make all of one MD game a season. Last year the MD/SJB CIF game and this year the MD Saint Francis Academy game. I know the season isn't over just yet and you gotta play the games, but I see no glaring or any weakness in the Monarch football team. At this point I do not even see the remote possibility they could go out and beat themselves. So they claimed the JT years was the best ever... what do think? Does this team surpass them? Or should I assume even at this point they will known as the best Mater Dei team ever? Fryer: This Mater Dei team may be better than its 2017, 2018 teams that were national champswww.ocregister.com/2019/10/12/fryer-this-mater-dei-team-may-be-better-than-its-2017-2018-teams-that-were-national-champs/
 Servite running back Derek Fuentes is tackled immediately by Mater Dei linebacker Ray Leutele after getting the handoff in a Trinity League football game at Santa Ana Stadium in Santa Ana on Friday, October 11, 2019.
(Sam Gangwer, Contributing Photographer)
Mater Dei was crowned high school football’s national champions in 2017 and 2018.
This year’s Mater Dei team might be better than both of those two teams.
READ: www.ocregister.com/2019/10/12/fryer-this-mater-dei-team-may-be-better-than-its-2017-2018-teams-that-were-national-champs/ |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 12, 2019 7:34:43 GMT -8
there have been so many great MD teams, its hard to say which is the best ever. I'll say Bryce is the best QB ever (**runs for cover)
And imagine this team could have had Elias Ricks and DGW on the team. Yikes
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Post by coach on Oct 12, 2019 9:16:56 GMT -8
This team are freaks and I have a feeling we have seen all of the arsenal Bryce possess because he hasn't needed to use them. Bryce makes everybody around him great. Freak of nature!! Roll Tide!
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Post by outofstate on Oct 12, 2019 10:01:00 GMT -8
It’s too early to call them the best ever. If they run the table then they have a solid case for it. The difference is Bryce Young. At the time JT was slinging for the Monarchs I thought I had reached the pinnacle of QB play at Mater Dei, but Young has surpassed JT. It’s really not close either. Through the first 7 games he has been literally indefensible. The 2017 team had the best offensive line I have seen in high school. Although this years line has been absolutely fantastic, 2017 was unparalleled.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 13, 2019 10:28:09 GMT -8
What I have a hard time understanding is with all that talent, why do they still continually run up over 200 yards in penalties in games, most of which are for late hits, unsportsmanlike conduct & holding (offense & defense)?
Mater Dei football has been like this for decades, so it is part of Rollo's coaching. Does he recruit kids that are talented but undisciplined or does he accept this kind of behavior as a way to taunt or attempt to intimidate less talented opponents?
I wonder if this may also be the explanation why so many "best ever" Monarch players end up either fizzling out in college or miss expectations when they hit the pro level. They pull this stuff at the lower level when they have a talent advantage, but then once they meet equal talent, they can't pull the same crap and still be victorious.
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Post by MDDad on Oct 13, 2019 12:21:36 GMT -8
...why do they still continually run up over 200 yards in penalties in games
That's not true, RSM. I can appreciate the use of hyperbole and exaggeration as much as the next guy, but the downside is that sometimes you get called on it. In my 18 years in the program, Mater Dei has never been assessed over 200 yards in penalties even once (unless it happened Friday night, as I haven't seen the official stats yet), and to say that it happens continually is either uninformed or intentionally misleading
...most of which are for late hits, unsportsmanlike conduct & holding (offense & defense)?
That's not true. Actually, relatively few of MD's penalties are for late hits or unsportsmanlike conduct. The number is even down by about half since Elias Ricks and Darion Green-Warren left the program. And from the sideline last Friday night, there were numerous penalties called on Mater Dei when a Servite player had them tangled up on the ground, refusing to let go, and the Mater Dei player tried to shake him off. If you get the chance, watch the game again.
Mater Dei football has been like this for decades...
That's not true. For all of the 1990's and much of the 2000's, Mater Dei was recognized as one of the most disciplined programs in the section, as well as one of the least penalized.
Does he recruit kids that are talented but undisciplined or does he accept this kind of behavior as a way to taunt or attempt to intimidate less talented opponents?
I don't know. Does Troy Thomas recruit kids that are undisciplined or does he accept this kind of behavior as a way to taunt or attempt to intimidate. Please watch the replay of the game, in slow motion if possible, before answering. Many programs, including Mater Dei and Servite, have attracted players from a different "demographic" in the last five to ten years. With that change comes less disciplined play. And yes, intimidation has become a larger part of high school football, and if you watch Servite's play closely, you'll see they were often the instigators, with Mater Dei players being flagged when they retaliated.
I wonder if this may also be the explanation why so many "best ever" Monarch players end up either fizzling out in college or miss expectations when they hit the pro level. They pull this stuff at the lower level when they have a talent advantage, but then once they meet equal talent, they can't pull the same crap and still be victorious.
Since there have been so many best ever Monarch players who pulled this stuff in high school but then fizzled out in college or flopped in the pros, perhaps you could share those names. It should be easy given there have been "so many". Thomas Duarte never pulled "this stuff". Neither did Kahled Holmes or Matt Barkley or J.T. Daniels. The St. Browns did, but they have hardly fizzled in college. So please, who are they?
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Post by coach on Oct 13, 2019 13:04:40 GMT -8
...why do they still continually run up over 200 yards in penalties in gamesThat's not true, RSM. I can appreciate the use of hyperbole and exaggeration as much as the next guy, but the downside is that sometimes you get called on it. In my 18 years in the program, Mater Dei has never been assessed over 200 yards in penalties even once (unless it happened Friday night, as I haven't seen the official stats yet), and to say that it happens continually is either uninformed or intentionally misleading ...most of which are for late hits, unsportsmanlike conduct & holding (offense & defense)?That's not true. Actually, relatively few of MD's penalties are for late hits or unsportsmanlike conduct. The number is even down by about half since Elias Ricks and Darion Green-Warren left the program. And from the sideline last Friday night, there were numerous penalties called on Mater Dei when a Servite player had them tangled up on the ground, refusing to let go, and the Mater Dei player tried to shake him off. If you get the chance, watch the game again. Mater Dei football has been like this for decades...That's not true. For all of the 1990's and much of the 2000's, Mater Dei was recognized as one of the most disciplined programs in the section, as well as one of the least penalized. Does he recruit kids that are talented but undisciplined or does he accept this kind of behavior as a way to taunt or attempt to intimidate less talented opponents?I don't know. Does Troy Thomas recruit kids that are undisciplined or does he accept this kind of behavior as a way to taunt or attempt to intimidate. Please watch the replay of the game, in slow motion if possible, before answering. Many programs, including Mater Dei and Servite, have attracted players from a different "demographic" in the last five to ten years. With that change comes less disciplined play. And yes, intimidation has become a larger part of high school football, and if you watch Servite's play closely, you'll see they were often the instigators, with Mater Dei players being flagged when they retaliated. I wonder if this may also be the explanation why so many "best ever" Monarch players end up either fizzling out in college or miss expectations when they hit the pro level. They pull this stuff at the lower level when they have a talent advantage, but then once they meet equal talent, they can't pull the same crap and still be victorious.Since there have been so many best ever Monarch players who pulled this stuff in high school but then fizzled out in college or flopped in the pros, perhaps you could share those names. It should be easy given there have been "so many". Thomas Duarte never pulled "this stuff". Neither did Kahled Holmes or Matt Barkley or J.T. Daniels. The St. Browns did, but they have hardly fizzled in college. So please, who are they? I recorded the game and have watched it twice. A lot of those flags that were thrown against would have penalties for other teams. I have tried to stay out of the MD/Servite fray, however this past game got way out of hand. |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 13, 2019 16:36:57 GMT -8
As for Fridays game, I believe the total penalty yardage was over 230 yards. Stupid Register doesn't print box scores anymore, I am just going off of what the announcers on Fox Sports reported during the game. I am not going to go through the record books over the past 20 years and put out a stat line. My opinion is based on watching Mater Dei since the late 90's in games that were on TV or in person when they played Tesoro. Not a complete list, but a decent sample. Game after game, the Monarchs hit people when they are out of bounds, take cheap shots and hold like they are in love. It sure looks to be baked into the coaching, much like the St Paul teams of the 60's & 70's under Marijon Ancich I know we all have bias, I would expect you to think that the team you are rooting for doesn't engage in such actions. I would also contend that my bias is less than yours, I haven't had any affiliation with Servite since the 1980's & probably wouldn't recognize Troy Thomas if i ran into him on the street (insert short joke here). My son played at Tesoro, but the Tesoro/Mater Dei games were after he left. The other teams I have watched them play against Mater Dei, I am completely ambivalent towards. In a nutshell, it seems like the Mater Dei faithful are so wrapped up in recruiting the best team available that they don't see when their team is acting like complete dicks. I doubt there would be anyway I would convince you of that, you will see what your mind wants to see (as we all do). I believe a better coach than Rollo would teach his budding superstars that when you are beating the hell out of another team and, if out of frustration the other team starts to get chippy, you do the Christian thing and turn the other cheek. Even by your admission, the Monarchs don't do that. One caveat, Matt Barkley & Rob Boyer always seemed to conduct themselves flawlessly. I watched Barkley when he won & when he lost, the respect he showed the players on the other teams was the ultimate example to live by. Personally, I believed those two learned that growing up, from their families influence & faith. The sad thing is that their example was not followed by everyone on their teams. |
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Post by Credo on Oct 13, 2019 22:36:35 GMT -8
The past two years this game has definitely seen an increase in nastiness on both sides. Mater Dei's Christian Dixon was lucky not to draw a penalty in the end zone after he threw the Friar defender off of him in frustration after not catching a TD. Not a good look. Domani Jackson drew a number of flags (nothing dirty, though) trying to cover Tetairoa McMillan; will be interesting to this one-on-one battle over the next two years.
While it wasn't decisive in the outcome, I still object to Bryce's repeated maneuver (D.J. at Bosco does the same thing) of intentionally slowing down to a near stop just before running out of bounds on a scramble in order to deliberately draw a late-hit penalty on the defense. Even the broadcast crew at FOX Sports noted this habit of his. Pretty bush league if you ask me--and clearly this is encouraged by the coaching staff.
Maybe a better title for the thread would be "most talent ever assembled?" I take nothing away from Rollinson and his staff (who are probably the best in the business) but when your team (along with St. John Bosco) hold a size and speed advantage at just about all 22 starting positions against every other team on your schedule, the result is rather predictable. The only kid at Servite who could crack the starting lineup at Mater Dei or Bosco might be McMillan--and we have a legitimate Top 10 team in CIF-SS. Same goes for the rosters at JSerra, OLU, and Santa Margarita, who might have one or two such kids between the three of them.
This in't about the transfer numbers, as I've said before. It's about two schools whose rosters are virtually unrecognizable from just several years ago. I noticed FOX Sports played the 2011 Servite-MD game just before Friday night's contest. The 2011 Trinity League Champions Friars were not markedly more talented than this year's sqaud--just more tested and senior led. On the MD side, however, the only guy who could possibly play with today's team might be Thomas Duarte, who was probably the best player on the field that night. Whatever these two schools have become, it's about as akin to HSFB as the 1992 U.S. men's Olympic basketball team (The "Dream Team") was to its many gold medal winning predecessors. The rest of us are Spain, Croatia, and Brazil--only necessary fodder to fill out the schedule.
Game #1 of the essentially two-game season for the CIF and State titles happens in 12 days. Whoopee.
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Post by frankieboy1 on Oct 14, 2019 7:03:31 GMT -8
JSerra would have two: Persi and Street. Both have high-major scholarships (Michigan and Cal).
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 14, 2019 13:02:35 GMT -8
I would have to disagree with Persi starting at MD. Yeah he has some big time offers, but he's getting most of these offers because he's 6'7". You can't teach height, as they would say.
Could he start at MD? Possibly. But I don't think he's as good as his offers. He's in that group of kids that has offers because of his potential. Murao is a better high school LT in my opinion.
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 14, 2019 13:08:03 GMT -8
As for the amount of penalties MD picked up against Servite, I don't chalk those up to undisciplined play. I think ROllo was thrilled with half of the penalties. You could tell this one was even more personal than usual. It was all part of the plan.
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Post by Luca on Oct 14, 2019 14:11:52 GMT -8
What plan was that, and what penalties would a coach be thrilled about?
These were disciplined penalties?........................Luca
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Post by outofstate on Oct 14, 2019 14:29:23 GMT -8
I would have to disagree with Persi starting at MD. Yeah he has some big time offers, but he's getting most of these offers because he's 6'7". You can't teach height, as they would say. Could he start at MD? Possibly. But I don't think he's as good as his offers. He's in that group of kids that has offers because of his potential. Murao is a better high school LT in my opinion. I agree with you about Murao. Perisi wins the beauty contest. But as for results on the field just consider the following... last year against IMG Murao neutralized Nolan Smith, the number 1 recruit in the country, whenever they went head to head. Smith is quoted with saying Murao was the best he went against. Same thing happened this year against St Frances. DL Chris Braswell is one of the top recruits in the country and committed to Alabama. Murao made him a non factor when they went head to head. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 14, 2019 14:36:00 GMT -8
Guys, there are five offensive linemen on a team. Persi wouldn't have to beat out Murao, he'd just have to beat out freshman starter B.J. Tolo. If he can't do that, then one has to question the foresight of the college coaches who offered him.
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