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Post by sweetness34 on Oct 28, 2019 7:58:56 GMT -8
I’ve noticed the behavior problem. Not just the 100+ yards of penalties on a regular basis, but the entire culture. There was a video on YouTube showing a number of MD players trying to intimidate Servite’s squad before the game even started. Not even in pads yet. It was ugly, ghetto bullshit. I don’t recall that being tolerated before. Maybe it’s the price you have to pay if you want to hold onto the kids who are in school just to play football. Sorta like Miami U in the 90’s. It’s a by product of the emphasis on winning, whatever it takes. I can’t speak for all the coaches, but the ones I’ve worked with, Grady and Hartigan, would never have tolerated that................Luca I understand most of what you're saying, but that Servite video wasn't just MD, Servite was yapping at them as well. Did you see the Servite guys before the game started when the teams were about to run out on the field .. The Servite player leading the team on the field was taunting and yelling at the MD squad .. call it both ways, there talking in football, some its more obvious. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 28, 2019 10:05:09 GMT -8
When both teams in a high school football game taunt each other with "ugly, ghetto bullshit", it's become commonplace for posters to criticize one team for using "ugly, ghetto bullshit" while giving the other team a pass. While their criticism may be valid and accurate for one team, it is also terribly biased, disingenuous and misleading.
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Post by Luca on Oct 28, 2019 12:07:34 GMT -8
I wasn't at the game. I only saw what was on the video, which was one-sided at least until I turned the insufferable thing off. I can't say it wasn't one-sided, but I only saw one side.
Still, traditionally parochial coaches would have told their players to "do your talking on the field", to use a trite saying. There is a reason we send our kids to parochial schools....................Luca
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 28, 2019 13:45:12 GMT -8
I wasn't at the game. I only saw what was on the video, which was one-sided at least until I turned the insufferable thing off. I can't say it wasn't one-sided, but I only saw one side. Still, traditionally parochial coaches would have told their players to " do your talking on the field", to use a trite saying. There is a reason we send our kids to parochial schools....................Luca Exactly. "Let your play on the field do your talking for you." I blame Cassius Clay/Muhammed Ali for ruining that bit of sportsmanship. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 28, 2019 14:46:01 GMT -8
The Register reported that Mater Dei had 160 yards of penalties on 16 flags against Bosco. I missed part of the 2nd half, but the calls I saw were nearly all for unsportsmanlike conduct and holding (offensive & defensive). There were also a half dozen non calls where MD defensive backs would get in the face of Bosco receivers, just jawing away. Maybe they were wishing them Happy Holidays, being such good Catholic boys that they are. If Rollo does not encourage that behavior, he is at the very least doing nothing to curb it. There was a time when any high school coach, including Wayne Cochrun & Chuck Gallo, would pull one of their kids off the field for crap like that, with the chance of the player not making it back on the field for the rest of the game. Rollo doesn't mind some of these penalties. He wants them to be aggressive. And sometimes the penalties are part of it. I know he loved the penalties he was seeing against Servite. Not loving the holding plays, but some of the late hits and unsportsmanlikes are part of the game plan to take the opponent out of their game. Now if these were being done against Villa Park, he would be upset. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 28, 2019 14:47:41 GMT -8
This is not your father's Mater Dei. Heck, it isn't even your older-brother-from-the-class-of-2015's Mater Dei. And I'm sure Bryce Young is a nice kid, but again he pulled that I'm going to slow down to a near stop before going out bounds on a scramble and induce a late hit garbage against Bosco. Only an offsetting penalty against the Monarchs nullified that effort. That ain't gonna work in the SEC, young man. He needs to stop doing that. I don't want to see him get hit because he pulls up and some kid decides to annihilate him. As a football fan, I enjoy watching him play. He doesnt need to get MD an extra 15 and risk his body. That definitely won't fly in the SEC. He's going to be a huge target. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 28, 2019 14:49:17 GMT -8
I’ve noticed the behavior problem. Not just the 100+ yards of penalties on a regular basis, but the entire culture. There was a video on YouTube showing a number of MD players trying to intimidate Servite’s squad before the game even started. Not even in pads yet. It was ugly, ghetto bullshit. I don’t recall that being tolerated before. Maybe it’s the price you have to pay if you want to hold onto the kids who are in school just to play football. Sorta like Miami U in the 90’s. It’s a by product of the emphasis on winning, whatever it takes. I can’t speak for all the coaches, but the ones I’ve worked with, Grady and Hartigan, would never have tolerated that................Luca I understand most of what you're saying, but that Servite video wasn't just MD, Servite was yapping at them as well. Did you see the Servite guys before the game started when the teams were about to run out on the field .. The Servite player leading the team on the field was taunting and yelling at the MD squad .. call it both ways, there talking in football, some its more obvious. not to mention Servite was yapping all week leading up to MD. There was so much bulletin board material from Servites side, its why you saw MD play the way they played. And Rollo was great with it when asked at halftime. |
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Post by MDDad on Oct 28, 2019 16:12:10 GMT -8
I wasn't at the game. I only saw what was on the video, which was one-sided at least until I turned the insufferable thing off. I was at the game, and I was on the sidelines where I could hear a lot of what was going on, at least on the Mater Dei side of the field. Both sides were trash-talking and verbally abusive to each other, and if either team was worse than the other, it couldn't have been by more than 52% to 48%. Look, it is a bitter, intense rivalry - the best in Orange County, and with that kind of bitterness and intensity comes behavior that is unwarranted. Second, all these kids know each other, if not from doing camps and club teams together, than from social media. And third, there is no love lost between coaches Rollinson and Thomas. That's partly due to Coach Thomas's disappointing behavior after the 2018 game, and partly from his bizarre behavior at the coaches meeting before the Mission Viejo passing tournament this summer. And finally, I rewatched every play of that game in slow motion a few night ago, and the officiating mistakes were very numerous. On one play, Andrew Faatoalia was called for holding when he pinched the sleeve of a Servite player from behind for less than a second. On that same play, with Bryce Young rolling to his right, a Servite player grabbed his face mask and twisted his head more than 90 degrees to the right. No penalty was called. On the touchdown pass to Kody Epps that was called back, Cristian Dixon blocked his defensive back, knocked him to the ground and fell on top of him. The Servite player had both arms and one leg wrapped around Dixon, who pushed off on the Servite DB's chest to try and get up. The entire sequence happened less than ten yards from where I was standing. The official was watching Epps to make the touchdown call and had his back partially turned to Dixon. All he saw when he turned back was Dixon trying to push himself up, and he called him for holding. In addition, there were six other Mater Dei penalties that were started with a Servite player either mouthing off or shoving the Mater Dei player. When the Mater Dei player retaliated, he got flagged. Maybe it's the nature of the game, or maybe it just points out the reasons these officials are working high school games instead of in the NFL, but it's still disappointing to see week after week. |
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Post by Bick on Oct 28, 2019 18:34:28 GMT -8
Luca - is your point that the players' behavior at MD more out of line than the other schools? Or is this an indictment of the way it is in general?
My very foggy recollection of games at both Bishop Amat and St Paul back in the day was downright brutal, from the fans anyway, as compared to today's athletes' trash talking. But I might be doing an apples to oranges comparison.
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 28, 2019 18:40:34 GMT -8
...but it's still disappointing to see week after week. I believe that you are sincere in your contention that Servite & all of the other teams are the ones cheap shotting the Monarchs and that the MD players are just trying to untangle themselves. I also know you are wrong based on footage of every MD game I have watched over the past decade plus. I chalk it up to bias, not in a negative way, but in a profound love you have of a school and program that forces your brain to not see it any other way. In a coincidence, today I was at a customers home whose son had gone to CDM, but whose 2 daughters now go to Mater Dei. When I found that out, i mentioned that I was a Servite alum from 1981 and her immediate response was "We just played them in football. Those Servite boys play dirty, they kept laying down on our players and not letting them get up". I just smiled & nodded, figuring that the Servite chant of "Those aren't girls" must have hit a nerve with her. But in any case, it does show that your view of what happened in the game was confirmed by a 47 year old Jewish woman who goes to high school football games in order to watch the halftime show. |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 28, 2019 18:48:00 GMT -8
..St Paul back in the day was downright brutal... The 1974 (or was it 1973) Servite team featured Turk Schonert at QB & their game against St Paul was at "The Pit". First series of the game, Schonert hands off the ball and a good 3 seconds afterwards, a St Paul player blindsides him & knocks him out of the game. 2 plays later, his backup is knocked out of the game as well, also on a running play. Servite has to play the rest of the game with a 14 year old kid from the freshman team at QB. St Paul won 5 - 0 on an Ed Luther 50 yd field goal and a safety. |
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