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Post by coach on Oct 14, 2019 16:41:57 GMT -8
As for Fridays game, I believe the total penalty yardage was over 230 yards. Stupid Register doesn't print box scores anymore, I am just going off of what the announcers on Fox Sports reported during the game. I am not going to go through the record books over the past 20 years and put out a stat line. My opinion is based on watching Mater Dei since the late 90's in games that were on TV or in person when they played Tesoro. Not a complete list, but a decent sample. Game after game, the Monarchs hit people when they are out of bounds, take cheap shots and hold like they are in love. It sure looks to be baked into the coaching, much like the St Paul teams of the 60's & 70's under Marijon Ancich I know we all have bias, I would expect you to think that the team you are rooting for doesn't engage in such actions. I would also contend that my bias is less than yours, I haven't had any affiliation with Servite since the 1980's & probably wouldn't recognize Troy Thomas if i ran into him on the street (insert short joke here). My son played at Tesoro, but the Tesoro/Mater Dei games were after he left. The other teams I have watched them play against Mater Dei, I am completely ambivalent towards. In a nutshell, it seems like the Mater Dei faithful are so wrapped up in recruiting the best team available that they don't see when their team is acting like complete dicks. I doubt there would be anyway I would convince you of that, you will see what your mind wants to see (as we all do). I believe a better coach than Rollo would teach his budding superstars that when you are beating the hell out of another team and, if out of frustration the other team starts to get chippy, you do the Christian thing and turn the other cheek. Even by your admission, the Monarchs don't do that. One caveat, Matt Barkley & Rob Boyer always seemed to conduct themselves flawlessly. I watched Barkley when he won & when he lost, the respect he showed the players on the other teams was the ultimate example to live by. Personally, I believed those two learned that growing up, from their families influence & faith. The sad thing is that their example was not followed by everyone on their teams. Are you ignoring the late hits and mouthing off from the Servite side? |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 14, 2019 18:24:32 GMT -8
Are you ignoring the late hits and mouthing off from the Servite side? No, and if the Register would print box scores, we could talk about the amount of penalty yards for both teams. The shove on Young as he scored was bush league, but two wrongs don't make a right. Mater Dei plays that way all the time, every game I have viewed for over a decade. Any cheap shots back are just as wrong. I really tried to take the MD viewpoint on this and the only thing I can come up with is you are so used to seeing it that it doesn't register anymore. I would expect any opponent that is getting blown out and then also has to put up with late hits & continued holding would get chippy in response, that is human nature. So maybe Mater Dei eyes see their team playing the way it does every week and then suddenly, the other team starts acting out of character and drawing penalties as well. Those biased eyes would then conclude that other teams are the ones causing problems & then rationalize it as opponents being jealous of them. It is the emperor's new clothing, except with football pads & penalty flags. |
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Post by Credo on Oct 14, 2019 21:56:43 GMT -8
JSerra would have two: Persi and Street. Both have high-major scholarships (Michigan and Cal). Well first off Chris Street came from Mater Die so that hardly counts. So that leaves us with the conclusion that the collective brain trust (which is considerable) of this board can only come up with ONE player of the roughly 75-80 starters between JSerra, Servite, OLU, and Santa Margarita that could start for either Mater Dei or St. John Bosco--and two of those teams are Top 15 in the entire state of California! The talent disparity is a joke, is no accident, and is only getting wider. The best hope for a shake-up will lie in who succeeds these two historically dominant QBs for the Big Two next year. Will they rely on untested kids from their own programs or will they feel the need to bring in 4-star transfers to keep up the pace? |
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Post by friarjoe on Oct 14, 2019 23:08:31 GMT -8
I 100 percent guarantee both programs bring in transfer QBs. Mater Dei and Bosco gave up long ago this idea of having a “down” year just because you might not have an in-house player at an important position. I thought it was somewhat interesting and even humorous that the TV announcers made such a big deal about the MD senior (I think) defensive lineman that returned the fumble for the TD being a “program guy” who has stuck it out all 4 years blah blah blah. They made it seem like he was Rudy from Notre Dame when in fact he is a heck of a nice high school player. But that’s what he is- a really good high school football player. That’s what teams like MD and to a lesser extent, Bosco, used to have (and in MD’s case, win with). MD has a nice back up quarterback who is an underclassman. I’m sure he’s smart enough to know that he will be holding a clipboard and a colored jersey signaling in formations for the new transfer that gets imported this off season. Sort of a sad state of affairs if you are that kid, but then again that’s what these programs have become.
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Post by SK80 on Oct 15, 2019 7:51:12 GMT -8
Are you ignoring the late hits and mouthing off from the Servite side? No, and if the Register would print box scores, we could talk about the amount of penalty yards for both teams. The shove on Young as he scored was bush league, but two wrongs don't make a right. Mater Dei plays that way all the time, every game I have viewed for over a decade. Any cheap shots back are just as wrong. I really tried to take the MD viewpoint on this and the only thing I can come up with is you are so used to seeing it that it doesn't register anymore. I would expect any opponent that is getting blown out and then also has to put up with late hits & continued holding would get chippy in response, that is human nature. So maybe Mater Dei eyes see their team playing the way it does every week and then suddenly, the other team starts acting out of character and drawing penalties as well. Those biased eyes would then conclude that other teams are the ones causing problems & then rationalize it as opponents being jealous of them. It is the emperor's new clothing, except with football pads & penalty flags.
I really tried to take the SK80 viewpoint on this and the only thing I can come up with is you are so used to seeing it that it doesn't register anymore.
I would expect any opponent that is getting blown out and then also has to put up with late hits & continued holding would get chippy in response, that is human nature."
Just thought this was funny or should I say the way the season has been going CDM is the MD of publics. Yep CDM plays like this all the time? Well the box scores say so! And I am so biased and blind I can't see what I believe I see! And in looking again at this weeks boxscore I guess Edison just got out of the way on every play and were in now way ever chippy in getting their reputation and b*tts handed to them...nope, drawing just one flag in 48 minutes of play... go figure. PENALTIES: CDM 11 EDISON 1  |
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 15, 2019 14:38:07 GMT -8
...drawing just one flag in 48 minutes of play... go figure. PENALTIES: CDM 11 EDISON 1Well, I guess part of it depends on what the flags were for. Another part could be societal, where our kids now believe that when they have superior talent, they are justified in taunting & mouthing off to those who don't. I watched about a half dozen Tesoro/CDM games back in the mid 2000's when they were in the same league (half varsity, half underclassmen). The first few years CDM won but as Tesoro grew in size, their teams began to have the edge. The games were played tough, but there wasn't the disrespect for the opponent (by either side) that I see when MD plays someone. One aside, most of the Tesoro games I watched in person had Jim O'Connell & Matt Poston as head coaches (back when Poston was Freshman coach). I did see a difference when Brian Barnes got hold of the program, there was a definite difference in the way those teams played in respect to late hits and mouthing off to opponents. Barnes won as a coach, but I never condoned the way he taught his players to treat opponents. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 15, 2019 18:47:27 GMT -8
JSerra would have two: Persi and Street. Both have high-major scholarships (Michigan and Cal). Well first off Chris Street came from Mater Die so that hardly counts. So that leaves us with the conclusion that the collective brain trust (which is considerable) of this board can only come up with ONE player of the roughly 75-80 starters between JSerra, Servite, OLU, and Santa Margarita that could start for either Mater Dei or St. John Bosco--and two of those teams are Top 15 in the entire state of California! The talent disparity is a joke, is no accident, and is only getting wider. The best hope for a shake-up will lie in who succeeds these two historically dominant QBs for the Big Two next year. Will they rely on untested kids from their own programs or will they feel the need to bring in 4-star transfers to keep up the pace? Next years Bosco QB is not on campus right now, believe that. I don't think a lot of people (non-bosco fans) will be that pissed at who Bosco gets. |
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Post by Credo on Oct 15, 2019 19:03:57 GMT -8
Well first off Chris Street came from Mater Die so that hardly counts. So that leaves us with the conclusion that the collective brain trust (which is considerable) of this board can only come up with ONE player of the roughly 75-80 starters between JSerra, Servite, OLU, and Santa Margarita that could start for either Mater Dei or St. John Bosco--and two of those teams are Top 15 in the entire state of California! The talent disparity is a joke, is no accident, and is only getting wider. The best hope for a shake-up will lie in who succeeds these two historically dominant QBs for the Big Two next year. Will they rely on untested kids from their own programs or will they feel the need to bring in 4-star transfers to keep up the pace? Next years Bosco QB is not on campus right now, believe that. I don't think a lot of people (non-bosco fans) will be that pissed at who Bosco gets. Good grief. I will say that at least Bosco's QB's over the past decade (or more) were not transfers. How can such a program not have a QB in the pipeline to succeed D.J.? |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 15, 2019 19:53:37 GMT -8
Next years Bosco QB is not on campus right now, believe that. I don't think a lot of people (non-bosco fans) will be that pissed at who Bosco gets. Good grief. I will say that at least Bosco's QB's over the past decade (or more) were not transfers. How can such a program not have a QB in the pipeline to succeed D.J.? they have some solid QB's on campus but nobody that will be THE guy and capable of keeping Bosco where they want to be. Lots of young talent there, but they need a QB. Good young running backs, Collins and Jodie present a very good duo, Earnest Greene anchoring the LT position. They need a QB. But I think its safe to say many more players will be added. The true stars did not come in this year because, well, there were too many guys that had spots secured, especially on offense. They lose a lot next season on D and honestly, don't have a lot of young up and comers on the defensive side of the ball. It will be an interesting offseason beginning in Jan. |
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Post by Luca on Oct 15, 2019 20:24:58 GMT -8
What’s the point?
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Post by MDDad on Oct 15, 2019 21:29:48 GMT -8
I will say that at least Bosco's QB's over the past decade (or more) were not transfers. Well, Bosco's quarterback on the 2015 team that went 13-1 was Quentin Davis, a transfer from Mater Dei. |
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Post by Credo on Oct 16, 2019 9:38:37 GMT -8
I will say that at least Bosco's QB's over the past decade (or more) were not transfers. Well, Bosco's quarterback on the 2015 team that went 13-1 was Quentin Davis, a transfer from Mater Dei. And as a result poor Mater Dei had to settle for J.T. Daniels throwing to Servite transfers Osiris and Amon-Ra St. Brown that season.  ![]() So I guess Carter Freedland was the Quentin Davis of 2018. Which current Monarch JV signal caller will be getting ready to transfer out in January 2020? ![]() ![]() |
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Post by Credo on Oct 16, 2019 10:14:12 GMT -8
Good grief. I will say that at least Bosco's QB's over the past decade (or more) were not transfers. How can such a program not have a QB in the pipeline to succeed D.J.? they have some solid QB's on campus but nobody that will be THE guy and capable of keeping Bosco where they want to be. Lots of young talent there, but they need a QB. Good young running backs, Collins and Jodie present a very good duo, Earnest Greene anchoring the LT position. They need a QB. But I think its safe to say many more players will be added. The true stars did not come in this year because, well, there were too many guys that had spots secured, especially on offense. They lose a lot next season on D and honestly, don't have a lot of young up and comers on the defensive side of the ball. It will be an interesting offseason beginning in Jan. As I said, this is NOT high school football in any sense of the term. I feel sorry for the young Braves who want to play at dad's alma mater but will only get slightly closer to the playing field than the spectators in the stands. Jason Negro is the Dorian Gray of SoCal HSFB. |
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Post by kupprunneth on Oct 16, 2019 14:15:46 GMT -8
they have some solid QB's on campus but nobody that will be THE guy and capable of keeping Bosco where they want to be. Lots of young talent there, but they need a QB. Good young running backs, Collins and Jodie present a very good duo, Earnest Greene anchoring the LT position. They need a QB. But I think its safe to say many more players will be added. The true stars did not come in this year because, well, there were too many guys that had spots secured, especially on offense. They lose a lot next season on D and honestly, don't have a lot of young up and comers on the defensive side of the ball. It will be an interesting offseason beginning in Jan. As I said, this is NOT high school football in any sense of the term. I feel sorry for the young Braves who want to play at dad's alma mater but will only get slightly closer to the playing field than the spectators in the stands. Jason Negro is the Dorian Gray of SoCal HSFB. No arguments from me. I won't pretend and say its right. |
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Post by coach on Oct 19, 2019 7:29:41 GMT -8
Are you ignoring the late hits and mouthing off from the Servite side? No, and if the Register would print box scores, we could talk about the amount of penalty yards for both teams. The shove on Young as he scored was bush league, but two wrongs don't make a right. Mater Dei plays that way all the time, every game I have viewed for over a decade. Any cheap shots back are just as wrong. I really tried to take the MD viewpoint on this and the only thing I can come up with is you are so used to seeing it that it doesn't register anymore. I would expect any opponent that is getting blown out and then also has to put up with late hits & continued holding would get chippy in response, that is human nature. So maybe Mater Dei eyes see their team playing the way it does every week and then suddenly, the other team starts acting out of character and drawing penalties as well. Those biased eyes would then conclude that other teams are the ones causing problems & then rationalize it as opponents being jealous of them. It is the emperor's new clothing, except with football pads & penalty flags. I am really trying to stay away from the Servite versus Mater Dei rivalry. There so many more important issue in this country than High School Football. |
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