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Post by thefrog on May 8, 2020 9:59:04 GMT -8
Furthermore, Flynn was not prosecuted under the Logan Act (which itself as been argued to be unconstitutional by many legal scholars)
I find it funny that ALL of the convictions come from things unrelated to the purported collusion...
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 10:26:59 GMT -8
Furthermore, Flynn was not prosecuted under the Logan Act (which itself as been argued to be unconstitutional by many legal scholars) I find it funny that ALL of the convictions come from things unrelated to the purported collusion... There was no underlying crime. According the FBI's own documents, by January 4, 2017, their own months-long investigation of Flynn found no reason to continue the case and that he broke no law nor had he done anything improper in his phone call with Kislyak. The Logan Act farce was nothing more than a pretext to create a perjury trap--or "get him fired" (not their job). Their words, not mine. Almost all the convictions were manufactured "process crimes" committed in the course of the Russia investigation for the sole purpose of furthering the narrative of Trump-Russia collusion. The cases against Flynn, Papadopoulos, and Stone were all for making "false statements" about activities and interactions that were not illegal, and that had nothing to do with collaborating with Russia. Manafort for nailed for tax evasion from work he did a decade before he even met Trump. Show me the man and I'll show you the crime....is pure Stalinism. |
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Post by davidsf on May 8, 2020 11:41:17 GMT -8
But he plead guilty...
**Apparently, repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn’t make it true.
this has been a test of the stupid things people say program. Had this been a real statement of fact, you would have been instructed to tell Vile boy to pound sand.
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Post by thefrog on May 8, 2020 12:35:27 GMT -8
Better yet, no one has been indicted under the Logan Act. NO ONE
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 12:39:20 GMT -8
Better yet, no one has been indicted under the Logan Act. NO ONE The Logan Act was only passed in 1799 so just give it time. |
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 13:23:18 GMT -8
But, but, but... MSNBC said he is guilty, Google said he is guilty, and he pled guilty... And TOB is busier than here, too. Part of the problem here is that the Left--with the assistance of the mainstream media--is always playing offense and operating under a presumption of guilt when it comes to all things involving Trump. Meanwhile, people like Flynn, et al, must "prove their innocence" in the manner they demanded of Brett Kavanaugh, clearly a ridiculous and un-American standard of fairness and justice that no one could ever satisfy. Here's the question for the "but he pled guilty" crowd...just YES or NO: Do you really think that Michael Flynn, a 30-year combat veteran, 3-star Lt. General, lifelong Democrat, and former head of the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) under Barack Obama, was acting as an agent of Russia and against the interests of the United States of America? And all this despite the fact that the FBI's own documents found "no derogatory information" in their investigation of him as of January 4, 2017, when they were prepared to close the file? Just YES or NO. And YES better be accompanied by some pretty compelling evidence that even the FBI has apparently never produced. |
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 15:51:38 GMT -8
To the "but he pled guilty!" crowd: don't take my word for it; I'm going to go with the evidence and the judgment of both the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney (former FBI agent and 10-year veteran of the DOJ) he assigned to review ALL THE EVIDENCE in the case and who made the recommendation to drop the charges.
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Post by vilepagan on May 9, 2020 2:50:34 GMT -8
To suggest that the Judge is not going to sign off on the dropped charges is simply asinine To suggest that I suggested the judge wouldn't sign off on the dropped charges is asinine. I merely pointed out that it hasn't happened yet and the gloating is a bit premature. I understand facts bother some people but there they are anyway. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 9, 2020 2:53:59 GMT -8
I have repeated, there's no point arguing about the Flynn case with people who are incurious about the broader context of the case or the actual details and evidence--or lack thereof. And there's no point in discussing it with someone who's convinced he knows what the evidence is in this case because he's read it on Twitter. You have nothing but speculation. No broader context, no actual details or evidence...just speculation. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 9, 2020 2:58:51 GMT -8
Excellent. Much better than relying on Twits for your information. I'll wait for the judges ruling, thanks anyway.
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Post by MDDad on May 9, 2020 8:13:52 GMT -8
As the layers of this onion continue to be peeled back (and yes, in this case, there really seems to be an onion, unlike the Russian collusion myth) the buck must eventually stop with Barack Obama. If it turns out he knew about all this, he will be remembered as the most devious and corrupt president since Richard Nixon. And if it turns out he didn't know, he will be remembered as perhaps the most oblivious, clueless and out-of-touch president of all time. Neither portrait is very flattering to his legacy.
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Post by Bick on May 9, 2020 9:50:30 GMT -8
As the layers of this onion continue to be peeled back (and yes, in this case, there really seems to be an onion, unlike the Russian collusion myth) the buck must eventually stop with Barack Obama. If it turns out he knew about all this, he will be remembered as the most devious and corrupt president since Richard Nixon. And if it turns out he didn't know, he will be remembered as perhaps the most oblivious, clueless and out-of-touch president of all time. Neither portrait is very flattering to his legacy. And just as the right runs cover for Trump, the left will do the same for Obama. Time for the middle to take back the country. |
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Post by Bick on May 9, 2020 10:49:57 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how far this goes.
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Post by Credo on May 9, 2020 11:10:40 GMT -8
As the layers of this onion continue to be peeled back (and yes, in this case, there really seems to be an onion, unlike the Russian collusion myth) the buck must eventually stop with Barack Obama. If it turns out he knew about all this, he will be remembered as the most devious and corrupt president since Richard Nixon. And if it turns out he didn't know, he will be remembered as perhaps the most oblivious, clueless and out-of-touch president of all time. Neither portrait is very flattering to his legacy. And just as the right runs cover for Trump, the left will do the same for Obama. Time for the middle to take back the country. With all due respect, "running cover" for Stormy Daniels and sometimes obnoxious tweeting is not quite the same as "running cover" for abusing the power of the federal government to illegally spy on your political opponents and then putting into motion a scheme to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power by framing them for treason while wasting three years of the nation's attention and ruining innocent lives by bankrupting them with unnecessary legal fees and then sending them to jail. And that's not even considering the IRS targeting of conservatives, Fast & Furious, Benghazi, or lying about Hillary's private email server. Not the same thing. |
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Post by Credo on May 9, 2020 11:15:45 GMT -8
The idea that Flynn would deliberately lie to the FBI agents whom he welcomed into the White House and whom he knew had a recording of his conversation with Kislyak never made sense. Take a look at the short attachment ("courtlistener") you can read McCabe's own words, which amply supports this. As I've posted before, documents were already released earlier this week that show that the agents' original interview notes (which were never given to the court or the defense) were re-written weeks later by Strzok, with the likely intent of making Flynn look guilty. What was ultimately given to the court in the charging offense was an interview with Strzok months later that merely summarized his recollection of the January interview. Ridiculous. Without an actual tape recording and transcript of the actual interview, this is nothing more than a he said/he said.
In any case, AG Bill Barr and USA Jensen have made it abundantly clear that any "lie" must be material to a legitimate counter-intelligence investigation--which they assert was lacking in this case--so the charge itself should have never been brought in the first place.
The original 302 (FBI interview notes) that FBI policy requires to be typed and filed within five days has never been released. I wonder why?
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