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Post by Credo on May 7, 2020 20:47:26 GMT -8
But he pled guilty, TWICE... If they ever had actual evidence, why would they not present it? Answer: they didn't. It was all a bluff, coupled with a threat against Flynn, Jr. There were documents already released earlier this week that indicate that Flynn's original interview memos from January were re-written by Strzok and Page at a later date, and then presented to the court to make him appear guilty. "But he pled guilty...."
You might too, if you were bankrupted and threatened with the full weight of the federal government. Thank God he persevered.
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Post by RSM789 on May 7, 2020 23:26:12 GMT -8
...His reasons for pleading guilty aren't relevant. He pled guilty. Twice. Of course the reason is relevant. If he hadn't been being extorted by the FBI, he never would have plead guilty. If a rapist holds a gun to a woman's head and has sex with her twice, that is not an indication she wanted to have sex. The reason why she did it, even twice, is highly relevant, for if you remove the reason, she does not do the deed. |
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Post by Bick on May 8, 2020 2:07:21 GMT -8
Of course the reason is relevant. If he hadn't been being extorted by the FBI, he never would have plead guilty. If a rapist holds a gun to a woman's head and has sex with her twice, that is not an indication she wanted to have sex. The reason why she did it, even twice, is highly relevant, for if you remove the reason, she does not do the deed. Seems like another example of the ends justifying the means. As tragic as the Flynn case is, the bigger story is the FBI / DOJ being used politically. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 8, 2020 3:26:02 GMT -8
Because when Flynn was confronted with the evidence against him he pled guilty. When a suspect confesses that's all the evidence you need. No need to present any further evidence to anyone at that point.
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Post by vilepagan on May 8, 2020 3:29:07 GMT -8
Just a reminder that the judge in this case still has to sign off on the dropping of charges against Flynn. Despite all the gloating this case is not quite over yet.
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Post by davidsf on May 8, 2020 5:54:40 GMT -8
But, but, but... MSNBC said he is guilty, Google said he is guilty, and he pled guilty...
And TOB is busier than here, too.
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Post by thefrog on May 8, 2020 6:47:05 GMT -8
To suggest that the Judge is not going to sign off on the dropped charges is simply asinine
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Post by MDDad on May 8, 2020 7:34:42 GMT -8
When they're down by ten runs in the bottom of the ninth inning, the left will grasp at anything.
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Post by RSM789 on May 8, 2020 7:41:40 GMT -8
When a suspect confesses that's all the evidence you need. No need to present any further evidence to anyone at that point. Sorry Perry Mason, that is not even close to being true, at least if you want to find the actual perpetrator of the crime. If you are a hack and just want a conviction, then maybe you would settle for that low bar. The authorities typically need to show what crime was committed, present evidence that shows the suspect committed the crime and then use his confession to wrap up the case. If you confessed to jamming a hamster up Richard Gere's ass years ago, no jury in the world would convict you because the evidence is missing that you committed the crime. There are literally thousands of cases of forced "confessions", as well as confessions from deluded folks or people with alternate agendas, so they alone do not make a case. |
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Post by davidsf on May 8, 2020 7:45:41 GMT -8
When they're down by ten runs in the bottom of the ninth inning, the left will grasp at anything. They have shown a willingness to grab at anything regardless of the score. |
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 9:21:16 GMT -8
When a suspect confesses that's all the evidence you need. No need to present any further evidence to anyone at that point. He would have loved the "confessions" wrenched out of political prisoners in dictatorships and banana republics like Stalin's Soviet Union, Mao's China, Chile under Pinochet, and El Salvador in the 1970's. But, then again, liberals have always been cheerleaders for totalitarianism. |
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Post by thefrog on May 8, 2020 9:30:14 GMT -8
By the way, you can withdraw a guilty plea
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 9:40:31 GMT -8
I have repeated, there's no point arguing about the Flynn case with people who are incurious about the broader context of the case or the actual details and evidence--or lack thereof. The "but he pled guilty" argument is insufficient without asking why he would do so, and is undercut by Flynn's own sworn statement to the court on January 29 of this year, where he declares "I am innocent of this crime" and explains why he pled guilty only because of the threats made to prosecute his son. Read the actual document. I have. It's only 12 pages and can be read in about 10 minutes. sidneypowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Mike-Declaration-1.29.2020.pdfAll the important defense court filings can be found here: sidneypowell.com/the-michael-t-flynn-case/ |
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Post by Credo on May 8, 2020 9:46:52 GMT -8
By the way, you can withdraw a guilty plea Absolutely. And innocent people plead guilty when they calculate the cost-benefit of going to trial. |
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Post by davidsf on May 8, 2020 9:52:38 GMT -8
By the way, you can withdraw a guilty plea Absolutely. And innocent people plead guilty when they calculate the cost-benefit of going to trial. This happens all the time in civil suits: It is exactly why the ambulance chasers always go after the “deep pockets.” |
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