RSM789
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 26, 2019 12:12:34 GMT -8
Didn't they find him at the bottom of a swimming pool a few years back? If so, then I will invite a few of you over for a quick dip...
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Apr 11, 2020 8:26:20 GMT -8
I know at present this seems like yesteryear news........ but BARR'S quotes from an interview this week are HUGE....... POSTED ON APRIL 11, 2020 BY SCOTT JOHNSON IN 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, FBI, FISAGATE, WILLIAM BARRAG BARR: FBI INVESTIGATION A HISTORIC TRAVESTY www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/barr-fbi-investigation-was-a-historic-travesty.phpI have been saying for quite a while that the government operation run against the Trump campaign and the Trump presidency is the greatest scandal by far in American political history. Based on the progress of the investigation he has commissioned, Attorney General Barr has arrived at the same conclusion. That is how I read his remarks in the interview with Laura Ingraham earlier this week. RCP’s Ian Schwartz has posted video and transcript at RealClearPolitics under the headline “Barr: Russian Collusion Probe Into Trump “One Of The Greatest Travesties In American History.” I have posted the video below. This must be a preview of coming attractions. Quotable quote: “My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness. There is something far more troubling here, and we’re going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law, and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted….
I think the president has every right to be frustrated, because I think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history.
Without any basis they started this investigation of his campaign, and even more concerning, actually is what happened after the campaign, a whole pattern of events while he was president. So I — to sabotage the presidency, and I think that – or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency.”
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Post by SK80 on Apr 11, 2020 8:52:32 GMT -8
And look, now at approximately 11 pm on "Good Friday" April 10th 2020 CBS news is on it....... conveniently as their own version of a footnote..... Footnotes in watchdog report indicate FBI knew of risk of Russian disinformation in Steele dossier www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/footnotes-in-watchdog-report-indicate-fbi-knew-of-risk-of-russian-disinformation-in-the-steele-dossier/#
The FBI was warned sections of the controversial Steele dossier could have been part of a "Russian disinformation campaign to denigrate U.S. foreign relations," according to newly declassified footnotes from a government watchdog report.
The December report by Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz examined the FBI's investigation into alleged coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia as well as the FBI's four surveillance warrants for former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
snip Speaking to Fox News earlier this week before the declassified footnotes were public, Attorney General William Barr said of the Durham investigation, "...It takes some time to build a, to build the case. So he is diligently pursuing it. My own view is that the evidence shows that we're not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness, there's something far more troubling here, and we're going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law, and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted."
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Apr 11, 2020 9:09:42 GMT -8
Prior to Trump, the only President that had any success in fixing the Federal government in the last 50 plus years was Reagan. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush & Obama either specifically chose to make the situation worse or were unable to stem the tide. Some of those guys were nice guys, genuinely good people, but they couldn't or wouldn't do the job. It took a person who you disdain to effectively make a difference. Don't begrudge the results just because you don't like the package they came in.I really try not to. But other than two Supreme Court appointments, don't be surprised if the results aren't as beneficial or long-lasting as you may think. I am on board with a lot of this. First, though, he has made a lot more appointments than just two SCOTUS justices: I forget the actual number but record breaking appointments of federal judges and, in some cases, completely re-inventing some of those districts. where I get concerned is the National debt. No president in recent memory has done anything about it and Trump, I particular, has boosted it well beyond any sustainable level. I believe this will be the next bubble to burst and I have no idea how disastrous it will be. I also notice the wall has fallen out of his speeches and tweets.
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SK80
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Post by SK80 on Apr 13, 2020 6:59:07 GMT -8
I really try not to. But other than two Supreme Court appointments, don't be surprised if the results aren't as beneficial or long-lasting as you may think. It took an historic event to make this possibly true. We are in what they consider a "RESET". You can already uncheck best economy ever from that list based on a single event. Up to that point, normal circumstance, likely best economy in half a century.
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Post by SK80 on Apr 13, 2020 7:01:45 GMT -8
AG Barr just signaled that things are about to get ugly for the Russia collusion team thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/492405-ag-barr-just-signaled-that-things-are-about-to-get-ugly-for-the-russia
“Travesty” is not a nice word. It usually is applied to gross perversions of justice, and that apparently is the context Attorney General William Barr desired when he dropped it into an interview answer the other day in the breezy courtyard of the Department of Justice (DOJ).
His composed, understated delivery almost disguised the weighty magnitude of that disturbing word and the loaded adjective that preceded it. “I think what happened to him,” he said, referring to the president and the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation into his campaign, “was one of the greatest travesties in American history.”
Okay, it’s important to pause for a moment and absorb what the AG said. He just called an FBI investigation not just a travesty but one of the “greatest” travesties in the nation’s history. It was an unprecedented statement by an attorney general about his own department’s premier agency.
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 22, 2020 2:36:37 GMT -8
Here's something that's NOT an op-ed piece... Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian InterferenceWASHINGTON — American intelligence officials’ determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to assist Donald J. Trump’s candidacy was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics, according to a key Republican-led Senate review released on Tuesday. The findings undercut longstanding allegations by Mr. Trump and his allies that the officials were biased against him.
The Senate Intelligence Committee, which conducted the three-year study, had already given the work of the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. an interim stamp of approval, but the 158-page report on Tuesday presented new detail about the government’s attempts in 2016 and 2017 to make sense of Russia’s attacks. Much of the report’s contents about the so-called Intelligence Community Assessment were considered highly sensitive and blacked out by the Trump administration.
“The I.C.A. reflects strong tradecraft, sound analytical reasoning and proper justification of disagreement in the one analytical line where it occurred,” said Senator Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina and the panel’s chairman. “The committee found no reason to dispute the intelligence community’s conclusions.”
The endorsement by Mr. Burr’s committee comes at a key moment for the intelligence agencies. The Trump administration has stepped up its scrutiny of both the agencies’ examination of Russian interference in 2016 and the origins of the F.B.I.’s Russia investigation around the same time. Mr. Trump’s conservative allies have long painted the bureau’s inquiry as hopelessly tainted by politics even as independent reviews debunked the notion of an anti-Trump plot. {more) www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-led-review-backs-intelligence-findings-on-russian-interference/ar-BB12ZvC2
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Apr 22, 2020 7:38:19 GMT -8
Here's something that's NOT an op-ed piece... Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian InterferenceWASHINGTON — American intelligence officials’ determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to assist Donald J. Trump’s candidacy was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics, according to a key Republican-led Senate review released on Tuesday. The findings undercut longstanding allegations by Mr. Trump and his allies that the officials were biased against him.Actually, that pretty much is another op-ed piece from the New York Times (assuming you define "op-ed piece" as a statement of opinion rather than established fact). The conclusion that " the findings undercut longstanding allegations..... that the officials were biased against him" is misleading and probably deliberately so. The complaint that the Trump administration has had is the dubious investigation into his campaign's illicit involvement with Russian efforts, not whether or not the Russians tried to interfere. The Russians very likely did, and they probably have done so many times before, also. The issue is the clearly flawed attempt to associate President Trump's campaign with the Russian efforts. That has been the concern. Whether the Russians tried to interfere or not isn't a partisan issue. The article is flawed.........................................Luca
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 22, 2020 8:00:49 GMT -8
Here's something that's NOT an op-ed piece... Republican-Led Review Backs Intelligence Findings on Russian InterferenceWASHINGTON — American intelligence officials’ determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to assist Donald J. Trump’s candidacy was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics, according to a key Republican-led Senate review released on Tuesday. The findings undercut longstanding allegations by Mr. Trump and his allies that the officials were biased against him.Actually, that pretty much is another op-ed piece from the New York Times (assuming you define "op-ed piece" as a statement of opinion rather than established fact). The conclusion that " the findings undercut longstanding allegations..... that the officials were biased against him" is misleading and probably deliberately so. The complaint that the Trump administration has had is the dubious investigation into his campaign's illicit involvement with Russian efforts, not whether or not the Russians tried to interfere. The Russians very likely did, and they probably have done so many times before, also. The issue is the clearly flawed attempt to associate President Trump's campaign with the Russian efforts. That has been the concern. Whether the Russians tried to interfere or not isn't a partisan issue. The article is flawed.........................................Luca Granted what were talking about is more opinion than fact, but that's what we're left with...the conclusions of an unbiased inquiry into the facts. The conclusion was as you quoted, that the "American intelligence officials’ determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election to assist Donald J. Trump’s candidacy was fundamentally sound and untainted by politics." In my "opinion"...."fundamentally sound and untainted by politics" means that the "longstanding allegations by Mr. Trump and his allies that the officials were biased against him" is just complete bullshit and always was. He was investigated in good faith on what was considered good information. He likes to portray himself as a victim of the "deep state' and he has useful idiots in the media and elsewhere who believe him.
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Post by Luca on Apr 22, 2020 9:53:16 GMT -8
I don't have much doubt that the Russians did try to interfere, nor that they have done so before. I don't think many people dispute that.
You are of course entitled your opinion, but you must understand that it's a major step to go from "there was Russian interference" to "the Trump campaign 'colluded' with the Russians to interfere." You need some very solid evidence to make that sort of leap and investigate a sitting US President. The record show that sufficient evidence was not there, which is why the Mueller investigation crashed and burned.
I am sure you have read the comments by FBI investigators Strzok and Page. You are never going to get more compelling evidence of bias than that, whether you choose to ignore it or not.
Res ipse dixit, and this story is not over yet...............................Luca
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Post by Credo on Apr 22, 2020 10:20:55 GMT -8
Luca,
Don't waste your keyboard strokes. There's no point trying to reason with this guy on this--or almost any other issue. His knowledge of this case is based on Wikipedia and headlines about heavily redacted classified reports from media outlets that are hysterically hostile to Donald Trump.
What's remarkable about the "Trump colluded with Russia" wingnuts is this: not one single person even associated with the Trump campaign ever met with a single Russian official to work together in any way with the 2016 Presidential campaign. You can look at every sentence of every report and document in this entire case. Never happened.
You are correct--the story is not over yet. Barr and Durham know exactly what the Deep State actors did--which is precisely why this smokescreen of a Senate report is coming out at this time. Richard Burr (R) and the late John McCain were every bit a part of the attempt to smear Trump as were the Democrats. The Swamp knows no party.
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 22, 2020 13:11:27 GMT -8
I don't have much doubt that the Russians did try to interfere, nor that they have done so before. I don't think many people dispute that. You are of course entitled your opinion, but you must understand that it's a major step to go from " there was Russian interference" to " the Trump campaign 'colluded' with the Russians to interfere." You need some very solid evidence to make that sort of leap and investigate a sitting US President. The record show that sufficient evidence was not there, which is why the Mueller investigation crashed and burned. I am sure you have read the comments by FBI investigators Strzok and Page. You are never going to get more compelling evidence of bias than that, whether you choose to ignore it or not. Res ipse dixit, and this story is not over yet...............................Luca I have read the comments as i'm sure the investigators of the FBI have read them. Despite these comments, Republican investigators found no reason to think the FBI investigation itself was in bad faith. That's good enough for me, but since it's not good enough for you we'll just have to wait and see what comes of Mr. Durham's further investigation.
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Post by vilepagan on Apr 22, 2020 13:15:59 GMT -8
Your relationship with "reason" is dubious at best.
I'll take Wikipedia over Twitter any day.
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Post by RSM789 on Apr 22, 2020 14:45:21 GMT -8
I'll take Wikipedia over Twitter any day. Actually, you do, day after day...
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Luca
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Post by Luca on Apr 22, 2020 14:55:01 GMT -8
I have read the comments as i'm sure the investigators of the FBI have read them. Despite these comments, Republican investigators found no reason to think the FBI investigation itself was in bad faith. That's good enough for me, but since it's not good enough for you we'll just have to wait and see what comes of Mr. Durham's further investigation. I can't tell if I'm not expressing myself clearly enough or if you're just missing the point. What this report appears to conclude is that (to rephrase your sentence) "Republican investigators found no reason to think that the FBI investigation of Russian interference in the election was in bad faith." For the third time, the accusation of President Trump's campaign colluding with the Russian efforts is a much different issue, and there is prima facie evidence (one example of which I already offered) to believe that there was bias or bad faith in that aspect. So I don't t believe that this NYT article sheds any new light on events............................Luca
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