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Post by Bick on Jan 8, 2020 8:07:35 GMT -8
As an aside, I have a question that never popped into my mind until today. We are all familiar with the pallets of cash that was sent to Iran by the Obama administration. Those on the left defended that action saying it was Iran's money to begin with, that it represented the monies frozen back in the late 70's. My question is this - If we wanted to allow Iran access to their frozen assets, why were they not just unfrozen? If I understand the legal parameters of freezing assets, it means no one can access them, even the government. They sit in limbo at whatever bank or holding house until the government removes the freeze. Did the US government overstep its boundaries by usurping the frozen assets at some point in time, requiring the unfreezing to be a delivery of cash? Who froze it in the first place? The exec branch of the US gov't in 1979. I think they'd be the ones to unfreeze it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_frozen_assets |
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Post by SK80 on Jan 8, 2020 8:13:15 GMT -8
President Crater froze them in '79 during the Shah fiasco..... President Obama unfroze them with agreement from a handful of other countries where some of those assets were sitting on ice..... so we have two Democrat Presidents on the front and back ends of this story yet the media is all about Trump and how is flailing in Iran.......
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 8, 2020 16:33:08 GMT -8
... The original money was in a Pentagon trust fund. Thanks for the info. So it appears the original assets got moved from wherever they were to the Pentagon. I'm sure there was some finagling to do that, because that changes the concept of freezing assets to one of confiscating them. Not that it changes much, but then it would mean that the money sent to Iran represented the original assets, but wasn't the actual original assets, because those were under control of the Pentagon (or already spent). Correct? |
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 8, 2020 16:34:19 GMT -8
That will be the name of the President in power if a nuke is ever set off in Washington DC...  |
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Post by MDDad on Jan 8, 2020 16:36:56 GMT -8
Someday, Heaven forbid, it may also be the name of the big empty hole between AOC's ears.
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 8, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -8
President Crater froze them in '79 during the Shah fiasco..... President Obama unfroze them with agreement from a handful of other countries where some of those assets were sitting on ice..... so we have two Democrat Presidents on the front and back ends of this story yet the media is all about Trump and how is flailing in Iran....... Wow...you think this is all about how the Democrats screwed up Iran...how cute. You can thank that raging liberal Democrat Eisenhower for overthrowing the government of Iran in 1953 and putting the Shah in power. Then came 26 years of increasingly tyrannical rule by the Shah, all backed and supported by various administrations in the U.S. Then came the revolution where the government presently in control took power. The Iranian people and government have many very good reasons not to like or trust the U.S. or its policies, wouldn't you agree? We did all this to contain communism. What our reason is for continuing this nonsensical feud eludes me... |
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Post by Credo on Jan 8, 2020 23:38:18 GMT -8
At least the Democrats are consistent. They were similarly outraged at Donald Trump for Russian collusion that he never engaged in and for a quid pro quo with Ukraine that he never committed. And let's not forget their anger at Brett Kavanaugh for sexual assault that he was never involved in.
Don't they ever get tired of being wrong on just about every issue?
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 9, 2020 16:41:13 GMT -8
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
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Post by Bick on Jan 10, 2020 7:20:59 GMT -8
Looks like she changed her mind
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Post by SK80 on Jan 11, 2020 6:02:15 GMT -8
LOL @ "Under Pressure"..... isn't this a group that is proud to take responsibility for killing innocent others...? Under pressure, Iran admits it shot down jetliner by mistake
www.yahoo.com/news/iran-says-unintentionally-shot-down-034030154.html
 Iran Plane Crash
FILE - In this Jan. 8, 2020, photo, debris is seen from an Ukrainian plane which crashed as authorities work at the scene in Shahedshahr, southwest of the capital Tehran, Iran.
Iran announced Saturday, Jan. 11, that its military “unintentionally” shot down the Ukrainian jetliner that crashed earlier this week, killing all 176 aboard, after the government had repeatedly denied Western accusations that it was responsible. (AP Photo/Ebrahim Noroozi, File)
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Revolutionary Guard on Saturday acknowledged that it accidentally shot down the Ukrainian jetliner that crashed earlier this week, killing all 176 aboard, after the government had repeatedly denied Western accusations that it was responsible. The plane was shot down early Wednesday, hours after Iran launched a ballistic missile attack on two military bases housing U.S. troops in Iraq in retaliation for the killing of Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani in an American airstrike in Baghdad. No one was wounded in the attack on the bases. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guard's aerospace division, said his unit accepts “full responsibility” for the shootdown.* In an address broadcast by state TV, he said that when he learned about the downing of the plane, “I wished I was dead.”**
*Iran has an aerospace division? OK last time they were on Mars...?
** OK, go full Epstein!
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Post by davidsf on Jan 11, 2020 7:45:00 GMT -8
Not buying it.
It is too coincidental that the Ukraine was heavily reported as, now being a friend of Trumps and a Ukrainian Jet is “mistaken” for a combatant because they turned toward a military target?
Even with meager, low production radar, that mistake cannot be made.
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Post by Bick on Jan 11, 2020 8:08:39 GMT -8
Not buying it. It is too coincidental that the Ukraine was heavily reported as, now being a friend of Trumps and a Ukrainian Jet is “mistaken” for a combatant because they turned toward a military target? Even with meager, low production radar, that mistake cannot be made. It's easier to believe they intentionally shot down a plane with many of its own citizens on board than being incompetent? I'll take door #2, Dave. |
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Post by davidsf on Jan 11, 2020 11:32:38 GMT -8
Not buying it. It is too coincidental that the Ukraine was heavily reported as, now being a friend of Trumps and a Ukrainian Jet is “mistaken” for a combatant because they turned toward a military target? Even with meager, low production radar, that mistake cannot be made. It's easier to believe they intentionally shot down a plane with many of its own citizens on board than being incompetent? I'll take door #2, Dave. Yes, it is easier because they have shown repeatedly they have no regard for their own citizens... they just, basically executed 1,500 protestors and the people rejoicing in the streets that Soleimani was dead got arrested. however, I do also believe they are that incompetent, as well. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jan 12, 2020 11:07:56 GMT -8
President Bush - I authorized the capture and eventual killing Saddam Hussein
President Obama - I authorized the killing of Osama Bin Laden
President Trump - I authorized the killing of Qasem Soleimani
Hillary Clinton - I authorized the killing of Jeffery Epstein
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Post by Bick on Jan 13, 2020 8:19:22 GMT -8
Beyond the memes, this is what happens when you protest against an authoritarian regime.
I assume that's part of the militias formerly run by Soleimani
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