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Post by Bick on Mar 1, 2020 21:28:41 GMT -8
Glad to see we're bringing our troops home. Not really expecting much of a difference with global terrorism abatement... assuming that was the purpose of being there in the first place.
Would like to see us continue to have a significant presence in the Middle East at our bases in Qatar and elsewhere.
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Post by ProfessorFate on Mar 1, 2020 22:59:36 GMT -8
After we're gone, I wonder what becomes of the women and girls who have been allowed to go to school, and who probably got used to being treated with more respect than before 2001.
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Post by SK80 on Mar 2, 2020 6:36:51 GMT -8
After we're gone, I wonder what becomes of the women and girls who have been allowed to go to school, and who probably got used to being treated with more respect than before 2001. We actually do not know nor can assure an outcome, it's like a day when you take the training wheels off a kids bike, they could be on their way or face plant. Eventually you must let someone (these people) see where they presently stand, what if anything have they learned, and will that thing I believe is inside all humans, the desire to be free take precedent. And it may or not be with great struggle still to achieve. God Bless those whom have sacrificed in this effort. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 2, 2020 9:09:12 GMT -8
After we're gone, I wonder what becomes of the women and girls who have been allowed to go to school, and who probably got used to being treated with more respect than before 2001. The folly in Afghanistan and Iraq was the notion we could "convert" those countries into some form of democracy...as if we know what's in their best interests. Tell me THAT doesn't sound familiar. |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 2, 2020 9:21:15 GMT -8
After we're gone, I wonder what becomes of the women and girls who have been allowed to go to school, and who probably got used to being treated with more respect than before 2001. The folly in Afghanistan and Iraq was the notion we could "convert" those countries into some form of democracy...as if we know what's in their best interests. Tell me THAT doesn't sound familiar. WAS that the reason? didn't we go into Afghanistan, initially, to depose the Taliban? Which we failed at because we decided to go depose some whack in Iraq. OR are you thinking deposing the Taliban IS converting those nations? To which I would respond, that was not the reason we were told: We were told it was because the Taliban supported Osama Bin Ladin and we wanted him dead... |
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Post by Bick on Mar 2, 2020 9:58:18 GMT -8
Originally...Yes.
But like Iraq, we got into the nation building business. That's a bust.
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Post by MDDad on Mar 2, 2020 10:07:23 GMT -8
We were told it was because the Taliban supported Osama Bin Ladin and we wanted him dead... Well, he's been dead for almost nine years, so what has been the reason for staying? |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 2, 2020 10:07:56 GMT -8
Originally...Yes. But like Iraq, we got into the nation building business. That's a bust. I see where you are coming from... and agree. i think Viet Nam changed our strategy: We went in, thinking we could stop communism, but the Viet Cong didn’t fight fair. No conventional war strategy, but jungle warfare. We thought what saved us and let us prevail on Iwo Jima and Midway would work in the same Jungles of Viet Nam, but they didn’t. we switched to trying to win the hearts of the people and, of course, Ho Chi Minh was better at that, too. Flash forward a few dozen years and we are in the Middle East fighting the Taliban, of course, but starting out trying to win the hearts of the people... only to find out, it still isn’t working for us. |
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Post by davidsf on Mar 2, 2020 10:08:45 GMT -8
We were told it was because the Taliban supported Osama Bin Ladin and we wanted him dead... Well, he's been dead for almost nine years, so what has been the reason for staying? For,my tastes, there is none, other than what I just responded to Bick. |
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Post by Bick on Mar 2, 2020 10:26:39 GMT -8
Originally...Yes. But like Iraq, we got into the nation building business. That's a bust. I see where you are coming from... and agree. i think Viet Nam changed our strategy: We went in, thinking we could stop communism, but the Viet Cong didn’t fight fair. No conventional war strategy, but jungle warfare. We thought what saved us and let us prevail on Iwo Jima and Midway would work in the same Jungles of Viet Nam, but they didn’t. we switched to trying to win the hearts of the people and, of course, Ho Chi Minh was better at that, too. Flash forward a few dozen years and we are in the Middle East fighting the Taliban, of course, but starting out trying to win the hearts of the people... only to find out, it still isn’t working for us. I guess I'm not all that interested in winning hearts and minds as it relates to military involvement. It "sounds" good, but there's a common theme to the results any time we get outside the intended use of Constitutionally approved activities. |
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Post by Luca on Mar 2, 2020 10:48:36 GMT -8
"Lord, give me the strength to change that which should be changed,
The patience to tolerate that which cannot be changed,
And the wisdom to know the difference."
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Post by MDDad on Mar 2, 2020 10:53:00 GMT -8
The strategy of the military should always be "GO IN, KICK ASS, GET OUT...OR DON'T GO IN AT ALL". All this hanging around until everything is hunky-dory is neither their purpose nor their strength.
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Post by SK80 on Mar 2, 2020 11:06:32 GMT -8
The strategy of the military should always be "GO IN, KICK ASS, GET OUT...OR DON'T GO IN AT ALL". All this hanging around until everything is hunky-dory is neither their purpose nor their strength. I think you are more in line with Trump than you suspect.....  "We must abandon the failed policy of nation-building and regime change that Hillary Clinton pushed in Iraq, in Libya, in Egypt and in Syria.
Instead, we must work with all of our allies who share our goal of destroying ISIS and stamping out Islamic terrorism and doing it now, doing it quickly." ~ Donald Trump |
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Post by MDDad on Mar 2, 2020 11:49:53 GMT -8
I think you are more in line with Trump than you suspect..... I think I'm probably more in line with Trump's positions than most here are willing to admit. It's just that I think he is an utterly reprehensible human being with absolutely no human management skills. |
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Post by SK80 on Mar 2, 2020 12:15:22 GMT -8
I think you are more in line with Trump than you suspect..... I think I'm probably more in line with Trump's positions than most here are willing to admit. It's just that I think he is an utterly reprehensible human being with absolutely no human management skills. So like the "Bobby Knight" of NCAA Basketball! Effective but an A**!! |
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