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Post by Bick on Jan 26, 2019 10:30:17 GMT -8
I don't like how Trump is approaching border security for a couple reasons:
First, he could have easily piggy-backed, and acknowledged the efforts of Obama with the increased number of border agents, and made it a bi-partisan issue by calling it border security with physical, technological, and human barriers. Instead, he made it a partisan issue, and more about him and "the wall".
Second, by him using fear tactics of gangs crossing the border raping and pillaging all in sight, he loses credibility and opens himself up to the whole (unfounded as well) racist claims. Yet another polarizing partisan issue.
Seems so unnecessary and counter-productive to getting the job done.
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Post by Luca on Jan 26, 2019 14:25:09 GMT -8
The people who call him “racist” are the ones who were very much opposed to him from the beginning. That would’ve happened no matter what. He’s also evidently a misogynist, homophobic (Which is an irrational word), xenophobic, etc, etc. Those are the standard default descriptors for any GOP presidential candidate.
I didn’t vote for him because I didn’t think he was temperamentaly suited for the job, and it turns out he’s not. But I thought at least he would be a more skilled negotiator. I had no idea how thin skinned he was and how unnecessarily combative. The odd thing is that I support most of what he’s trying to do, but my God he’s tempestuous . I think it was Winston Churchill who once said of Admiral King that “he’s a bull who brings his own china shop with him.“...............Luca
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Post by coach on Jan 27, 2019 12:03:06 GMT -8
I don't like how Trump is approaching border security for a couple reasons: First, he could have easily piggy-backed, and acknowledged the efforts of Obama with the increased number of border agents, and made it a bi-partisan issue by calling it border security with physical, technological, and human barriers. Instead, he made it a partisan issue, and more about him and "the wall". Second, by him using fear tactics of gangs crossing the border raping and pillaging all in sight, he loses credibility and opens himself up to the whole (unfounded as well) racist claims. Yet another polarizing partisan issue. Seems so unnecessary and counter-productive to getting the job done. |
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Post by coach on Jan 27, 2019 12:13:41 GMT -8
How do we start a new post? Anyway, I need advice....I don't care that people know who I am because I am not afraid to give my opinions and hide behind a screen name. I had/have a nemesis on another board which will not be named and I will tell you why later. At any rate, on the "other" board there is an annoying liberal that I found out who is he is what he does for a living. I ignored him on the "board" so I didn't have to be annoyed. I belong to the Costa Mesa Public site to keep up with Costa Mesa politics. A rotten corrupt liberal got voted in and I found out while she was either the mayor of council member, she pressured the City Manager to write check for $11,000 to send her son and a couple of friends to China on a fame "sister' City program and it was just discovered. I went on Facebook and ripped into both of them and dubbed It ChinaGate. Well, the City Manager, (lives down my street), resigned and now work for the County of Orange and was given a $200,000 severance check! WTF!!!!!! Anyway the discussion up on the CM FB site and strangely, a poster name Tony Bedolla responded with his typical liberal horseshit. BINGO!!!!! Wabash! Yes! I got him! What shall I say to him?
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Post by coach on Jan 27, 2019 12:18:44 GMT -8
BTW, this is same City Manager that allowed a private softball company take over Cost Mesa Community softball. I have been playing softball in my HOMETOWN since 1980 and this company asked both of my teams to leave because we were "too good". Imagine that, telling Costa Mesa residents to play somewhere else because the other "men" wanted a chance to win t-T-shirts. BTW, my sponsor was none other than the ex-Costa Mesa Mayor and he confronted the City Council and I went to the City Manager and he didn't give a shit. Government scum.
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jan 28, 2019 0:03:36 GMT -8
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Post by Credo on Jan 29, 2019 20:06:31 GMT -8
I think Trump's strategic retreat to put the partial government shutdown on a three-week hiatus wisely puts the pressure back on to the Democrats, who promised negotiation on the border issues as long as the shutdown was ended. February 15 looms and now it's time for Schumer and Pelosi to put up or shut up. If they continue to stonewall, then the President can simply employ emergency powers to build the necessary fencing in unsecured patches of the border; this will likely be challenged in court but Trump will prevail in the Supreme Court, just as he did in the Travel Ban case. He clearly has the legal authority to proceed on his own executive order. And while that is a controversial issue, at this point the fallout (or benefit) will be purely political. The vast majority of Americans realize the problems on the border with illegal immigration and there's no way I see him losing support for doing what the people have been demanding--but politicians from both sides have been refusing to do--for decades. Conrad Black has a good article on Trump's maneuver at National Review online: www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/trump-government-shutdown-defeat-long-term-victory/ |
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Post by Credo on Jan 31, 2019 18:03:14 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Jan 31, 2019 20:43:32 GMT -8
I didn't think there was a snowball's chance in hell this would work out to his favor. He finally addresses the fact he wasn't asking for a 2,000 mile concrete wall. It's going to be hard for the dems to continue to fight this.
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Post by Credo on Feb 1, 2019 0:04:06 GMT -8
None of his supporters--myself included--ever thought "Build the Wall" meant a 2,000 mile concrete wall. They knew what Donald Trump meant was that as President he would take border security and the problem of illegal immigration seriously, unlike the Democrats and the Establishment GOP. And "Mexico will pay for it" meant that the nation of Mexico would bear the burden of taking care of their own impoverished citizens, rather than letting the porous border with the United States serve as a safety valve to offload the cost to the American taxpayer. The money we save on the cost of law enforcement and social services for illegal aliens and anchor babies will pay for 10 walls.
Elected Democrats knew this also (I hope--or they're dumber than I thought), but pretended Trump was a madman just to whip up opposition and to avoid having to take the border problems seriously.
Trump's willingness to negotiate during the partial government shutdown, as well as the current three-week strategic retreat, gives the Democrats a chance to act like responsible adults (that's asking a lot) and get on board with a bi-partisan agreement that allows them to get something they want as well (DACA protections). OR....they can be stubborn fools and Trump goes ahead and finishes building the border fencing ("wall") on his own National Emergency powers and the Dems get bupkus! (Personally, I like that option) They can then explain to their own base why they got rolled and to the 2020 electorate why they opposed the common sense of a physical barrier on the border.
February 15 looms.....
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Post by Luca on Feb 1, 2019 10:54:56 GMT -8
There is a story about Napoleon I read once where he tasked one of his generals with devising troop placements to defend the French border against a theoretical approaching army. The general drew up a plan in which he spaced troops along the entire breadth of the border leaving absolutely no gaps.
Napoleon looked at the plan skeptically and asked him "Are you defending against smuggling or invasion?"
Obviously, you do not need or want to build a continuous wall stretching however many miles from the Gulf of Mexico to the California coast. What a wall does is funnel the smuggling and illegal crossings into a limited number of corridors that you can more easily patrol with the resources at hand. I remember walking along the Great Wall several years ago and observing how this monstrosity was continuous from horizon to horizon, including over the tops of mountains even a chimpanzee couldn't have gotten through. What the hell was the point?
When there is a problem with illegal immigration and smuggling and border and security it's and no brainer to place barriers at certain strategic areas. Assuming your motivation is to do what is best for the country, it makes no sense to me to oppose this. My conclusion is that the reason the Democratic leadership does is simply because this is what Donald Trump wants to do, and they have to appeal to the extreme anti-Trump faction of their party or risk appearing to be caving in.
I wonder who the commonsense moderates are in the Democratic leadership. There must be some, and may be I'm unaware or they are likewise intimidated.
I think Donald Trump would have won this battle in slam dunk fashion if he had not been so unnecessarily antagonistic and bellicose about doing it. How many of you guys think some form of it is actually going to get built?.....................Luca
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Post by Credo on Feb 1, 2019 11:07:32 GMT -8
The "Wall" is already being built--and has been going on for some time. This current fight is all about the Democrats and their anti-Trump "Resistance" movement. See the video below:
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Post by Credo on Feb 1, 2019 11:13:43 GMT -8
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Post by Luca on Feb 1, 2019 14:10:04 GMT -8
There have been walls in certain areas for decades. That's a given. I meant a much more effective/substantial and longer wall such as what the President wants.......................Luca
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Post by Bick on Feb 1, 2019 14:17:02 GMT -8
Understanding what he wants, and how exactly that offends the sensibilities of the left, would be something to behold.
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