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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 25, 2020 15:12:16 GMT -8
This map is almost 6 months old, but you can see there had already been considerable progress back then. And more progress since then, on all of these projects. (The new 3 1/2 mile wall isn't shown here).
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Post by MDDad on Feb 25, 2020 15:49:25 GMT -8
You have been harping on that “promise” since he was elected. It is only your opinion that was his “biggest campaign promise” but, nonetheless, it was just a campaign promise. I heard it very much like I heard his (also braggadocio) comment about “grab her p*ss¥” and believed them both about the same. Wow, I guess I'm done with this. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 25, 2020 15:55:18 GMT -8
If 3 1/2 miles of track in three years is "but the beginning", then we should statistically have about nine miles by the time Trump completes his second term. Is that cause for a celebratory article? Look, I know I'm being sarcastic and facetious, but building a "beautiful" border wall with Mexico paying for it has been possibly the biggest strikeout of Trump's presidency. I accept your sarcasm and facetiousness, and return it, but I don’t buy the “biggest strikeout” part. in fact, you might be the only person... possibly only ONE of the only people I know who 1) Believed a campaign, braggadocio throw away line, and 2) denigrate that a wall is, actually, being built. now, the big question: Do you think we need a wall there at all? I don't speak for MDDad, but I wouldn't give trump a pass by calling this a campaign throw away line. At the same time, I think he should be given credit for actually stemming the tide of illegal entry,harsh as it may have been. If he had what I call "sense", he'd own the fact the wall didn't happen, really won't happen to completion, and focus on what IS happening. But he lacks the awareness of humility to get that done any time soon. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 25, 2020 16:19:03 GMT -8
I accept your sarcasm and facetiousness, and return it, but I don’t buy the “biggest strikeout” part. in fact, you might be the only person... possibly only ONE of the only people I know who 1) Believed a campaign, braggadocio throw away line, and 2) denigrate that a wall is, actually, being built. now, the big question: Do you think we need a wall there at all? I don't speak for MDDad, but I wouldn't give trump a pass by calling this a campaign throw away line. At the same time, I think he should be given credit for actually stemming the tide of illegal entry,harsh as it may have been. If he had what I call "sense", he'd own the fact the wall didn't happen, really won't happen to completion, and focus on what IS happening. But he lacks the awareness of humility to get that done any time soon. To me, all campaign promises are throw-away lines. That one, in particular, I recall him “promising” Mexico will pay for it, for maybe a mighty or so, but I don’t recall him ever saying HOW they would pay for it. I suppose one way would be for Mexico to buy the materials and send the workers to construct it, but there are a lot of other ways Trump can (and maybe already has) exacted payment, not the least of which was withholding aid to them during the caravans coming through... in short, I don’t know I’m giving him a pass as just accepting a campaign promise for what it (typically) is: Empty. Certainly not the one rack I’d hang my hat on as an indicator of a failed presidency. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 25, 2020 16:32:03 GMT -8
That's interesting. He talks about keeping his campaign promises as though they were legit. Don't think it's reasonable to have it considered a throw away when he falls short.
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Post by davidsf on Feb 25, 2020 17:56:08 GMT -8
That's interesting. He talks about keeping his campaign promises as though they were legit. Don't think it's reasonable to have it considered a throw away when he falls short. 👍 good idea. let’s obsess over that one. Let’s assume there’s only one way to understand his comment that Mexico will pay for it and let’s further pretend we know that one way. from the campaign promises I remember (which, I’ll grant you, aren’t that many), the order of importance to me are - Put Americans back to work
- Improve the economy
- Protect the Constitution (and the rights guaranteed to us)
- Stand up to cretins like Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi
- Protect our borders
- Support our troops
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- Force Mexico to pay for the wall in the way I think he means.
And, no, I don’t hear him talking about them as if they’re legit. I hear him brag about one or another when he keeps one or the other. To me, this ranks just above his schoolyard taunts on twitter as a measure of his maturity.
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Post by SK80 on Feb 26, 2020 8:40:34 GMT -8
Back on the grounds of reality...., this is how you get it done..., cut off those harboring..... This is a YUGE win this morning...
Court sides with President Trump in 'sanctuary cities' grant fight
Published 29 mins agoAssociated Press
NEW YORK - A federal appeals court in New York says the Trump administration can withhold millions of dollars in law enforcement grants to force states to cooperate with U.S. immigration enforcement.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Wednesday.
The ruling overturned a lower court's decision that ordered the release of federal funding from 2017 to seven states and New York City.
Those states are New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and Rhode Island.
The 2nd Circuit said the plain language of relevant laws make clear that the U.S. attorney general can impose conditions on states and municipalities receiving money.
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Post by Bick on Feb 26, 2020 9:21:22 GMT -8
This map is almost 6 months old, but you can see there had already been considerable progress back then. And more progress since then, on all of these projects. (The new 3 1/2 mile wall isn't shown here). Was all that work done during the past 3 years? |
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Post by ProfessorFate on Feb 26, 2020 15:27:53 GMT -8
This map is almost 6 months old, but you can see there had already been considerable progress back then. And more progress since then, on all of these projects. (The new 3 1/2 mile wall isn't shown here). Was all that work done during the past 3 years? Good question. The legend below the map shows "Existing" and "New," but what the definition of "new" is...I can't say. |
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2020 9:24:12 GMT -8
This map is almost 6 months old, but you can see there had already been considerable progress back then. And more progress since then, on all of these projects. (The new 3 1/2 mile wall isn't shown here).
If this map is correct, we've completed roughly 44 miles of border wall in Trump's three years (including the new 3 1/2 mile segment not on the map). At that rate, the border should be secure in 130 years. I can't wait to see that day when it finally arrives. |
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Post by davidsf on Feb 27, 2020 9:48:02 GMT -8
This map is almost 6 months old, but you can see there had already been considerable progress back then. And more progress since then, on all of these projects. (The new 3 1/2 mile wall isn't shown here).
If this map is correct, we've completed roughly 44 miles of border wall in Trump's three years (including the new 3 1/2 mile segment not on the map). At that rate, the border should be secure in 130 years. I can't wait to see that day when it finally arrives. Probably go a lot faster if the cretins in Congress weren’t stonewalling him with budgets and lawsuits. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 27, 2020 10:11:47 GMT -8
Rethinking this a bit.
Once a wall is built, what's stopping the tunnels?
Further, isn't the wall similar to the notion that regulating guns will stop gun violence? Attempt at physical prevention v. punishing law violators?
Seems we're arguing out of both sides of our mouth.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2020 10:37:30 GMT -8
Rethinking this a bit. Once a wall is built, what's stopping the tunnels? Further, isn't the wall similar to the notion that regulating guns will stop gun violence? Attempt at physical prevention v. punishing law violators? Seems we're arguing out of both sides of our mouth. Tunnels will be stopped by graboids from the movie Tremors.And yes, a wall is like regulating guns, or arresting hookers, or outlawing liquor. YOU HAVE TO ELIMINATE THE DEMAND FOR THEIR LABOR AND THE OTHER INDUCEMENTS TO COME HERE. If there were no jobs or free benefits waiting for them here, very few illegal aliens would bother crossing the border. |
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Post by Bick on Feb 27, 2020 10:53:02 GMT -8
Funny thing is I recall advocating that for some time, but I also see the benefit of a physical deterrent.
Like everything, behavior starts and ends with the incentives. If the prize at the end is big enough, the behavior will overcome the disincentive placed in the way.
There's not nearly enough discussion about the incentives in the issues.
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Post by MDDad on Feb 27, 2020 11:06:17 GMT -8
There's not nearly enough discussion about the incentives in the issues. Of course not. The left would like to make the illegal alien issue a purely emotional one. They appeal almost exclusively to people's sympathy and compassion, while ignoring (or stigmatizing) any rational or intellectual discussions towards solving the problem. It's kind of what they do. |
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