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Post by Bick on Jun 5, 2020 10:24:51 GMT -8
Who knows...maybe they can replace the police and it will work in the predominantly blue cities? I'm all for them giving it a go in say...Philadelphia?
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Post by MDDad on Jun 5, 2020 12:19:14 GMT -8
Sounds like we're heading in the right direction -- defund and demotivate police officers and bring back the Black Panthers with modern firepower. Jeez, I feel safer already. What could go wrong?
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Post by Bick on Jun 5, 2020 12:27:12 GMT -8
Maybe this?
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Post by davidsf on Jun 5, 2020 20:13:09 GMT -8
Sort of related to the black panthers/BLM, Jeremiah Ellison is the son of Minnesota AG, Keith Ellison and, not coincidentally, also a Minneapolis city councilman... right after Trump announced ANTIFA is to be designated a terrorist organization, Ellison, the lesser, took to the Tweet’isphere with a ridiculous and followed that stupidly with the even more ridiculous
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Post by SK80 on Jun 6, 2020 5:45:13 GMT -8
worthy of multiple threads...
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Post by MDDad on Jun 6, 2020 7:56:50 GMT -8
Come on, SK, don't be naive. Did you really think the segments of BLM that "pattern ourselves after the Black Panthers, after the Nation of Islam" and "believe that we need an arm to defend ourselves" were going to BUY their firearms LEGALLY?
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Post by vilepagan on Jun 7, 2020 3:50:40 GMT -8
What do you see as the problem there? The resignation of the officers or the fact that they knocked an elderly man to the ground injuring him and then claimed he "tripped and fell"? IMO any officer that resigned in support of the cops who knocked the guy down shouldn't be on the Emergency Response Team.
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Post by Bick on Jun 7, 2020 10:02:08 GMT -8
The other angle shows the police line in riot gear moving forward and the man tries to walk thru it. He was pushed and fell backwards and hit his head.
If you follow the direction of the police, you rarely get hurt. That man didn't and was hurt.
The police won't be able to keep order / do their job if their bosses won't support them, or throw them under the bus to mollify the masses. In Democrat run cities, the consistent theme is the cops are the bad guys, and the elected leaders cow tow to the people who refuse to be held accountable for their actions.
It's similar to a functional family unit where the dad is the authority figure. It was never a good idea to challenge dad's authority in my family from the time I was a kid, thru the time I became a grandpa. And the consequences certainly didn't meet the threshold of being "fair" at the time they were being administered. Looking backward, it became clear to me, and later my kids, that the effectiveness of limiting future improper behavior trumped fairness by a longshot. But those are my values.
I'm not going to convince anyone who doesn't respect authority and the concept of accountability that my values are right for them. Fact is, they don't fit with those people, and I'm OK with that. It's not my place to impose my values on others in their home, or their cities. I draw the line in my home and in my city.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 7, 2020 10:15:34 GMT -8
The other angle shows the police line in riot gear moving forward and the man tries to walk thru it. He was pushed and fell backwards and hit his head. If you follow the direction of the police, you rarely get hurt. That man didn't and was hurt. The police won't be able to keep order / do their job if their bosses won't support them, or throw them under the bus to mollify the masses. In Democrat run cities, the consistent theme is the cops are the bad guys, and the elected leaders cow tow to the people who refuse to be held accountable for their actions. It's similar to a functional family unit where the dad is the authority figure. It was never a good idea to challenge dad's authority in my family from the time I was a kid, thru the time I became a grandpa. And the consequences certainly didn't meet the threshold of being "fair" at the time they were being administered. Looking backward, it became clear to me, and later my kids, that the effectiveness of limiting future improper behavior trumped fairness by a longshot. But those are my values. I'm not going to convince anyone who doesn't respect authority and the concept of accountability that my values are right for them. Fact is, they don't fit with those people, and I'm OK with that. It's not my place to impose my values on others in their home, or their cities. I draw the line in my home and in my city. Yeah, so, speaking of throwing the police under the bus, your California Congress Representatives are at it again. word is, they are fixin’ ta introduce their latest “reform the police” effort as the “Justice in Policing Act of 2020.” That I’m aware of, they tried similar moves in 2001 and 2006. Democrat Proposal Seeks Big Changes to Policing
Don’t get me wrong, some changes might be beneficial, but this bill effectively nationalizes police services, which makes one scratch one’s chin as we see Democrat strongholds like L.A. and Minneapolis attempting to defund police forces... maybe leaving the federal gov’t to pick up the tab?
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Post by Bick on Jun 7, 2020 12:01:55 GMT -8
Any idea what the fallout is of creating a job that less and less would want? Or do democrats believe there are no repercussions to their actions?
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Post by davidsf on Jun 7, 2020 12:27:53 GMT -8
Any idea what the fallout is of creating a job that less and less would want? Or do democrats believe there are no repercussions to their actions? My observation is, they expect repercussions, but not the normal ones we see. They always have an agenda they’re pursuing.
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Post by RSM789 on Jun 7, 2020 13:21:12 GMT -8
I'm at the point I hope the major cities do defund the police & the feds don't pick up the tab. It will turn those democratically controlled areas into lawless areas controlled by gangs, chasing a majority of the population out. It will be a great example of what progressive & liberal policies lead to.
The wealthy in those cities won't care, they live behind gates with private security forces. The middle class will move out, losing equity on the homes they had owned, but having enough to escape to somewhere with a bit more common sense. The poor will be preyed upon, by both the criminal element and the elites, who will hire them for domestic services. Industry will die as the cities plunge into dystopian wastelands. Surrounding cities and counties will likely increase police forces, mostly at the borders of such dying metropolis's, in order to keep the crime from invading their community.
And Trump will be blamed for it all...
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Post by Bick on Jun 7, 2020 14:26:57 GMT -8
Look at the correlation between Democrat run cities and gang population / crime. Here in OC, Santa Ana, the most liberal city in OC, leads the way.
I'm perfectly fine with those cities screwing up their police force. The best cops will go to the cities that support them (like mine), and the weakest will remain because that's the best they can do.
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Post by davidsf on Jun 7, 2020 15:42:52 GMT -8
I'm at the point I hope the major cities do defund the police & the feds don't pick up the tab. It will turn those democratically controlled areas into lawless areas controlled by gangs, chasing a majority of the population out. It will be a great example of what progressive & liberal policies lead to. The wealthy in those cities won't care, they live behind gates with private security forces. The middle class will move out, losing equity on the homes they had owned, but having enough to escape to somewhere with a bit more common sense. The poor will be preyed upon, by both the criminal element and the elites, who will hire them for domestic services. Industry will die as the cities plunge into dystopian wastelands. Surrounding cities and counties will likely increase police forces, mostly at the borders of such dying metropolis's, in order to keep the crime from invading their community. And Trump will be blamed for it all... Just like Detroit...
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Post by thefrog on Jun 7, 2020 16:39:17 GMT -8
I assume the result of defunding a local police force are that the State police would take over.
I don't understand what these people are thinking... The whole point of law enforcement is to, you know, enforce the law.
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