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Post by ProfessorFate on Jul 11, 2020 1:48:23 GMT -8
I've never bought anything from Goya foods before, but I'm in for at least $10 to start.  |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 11, 2020 2:22:16 GMT -8
When companies try to improve their public image it's not a whitewash, it's not a societal change, and it's not the result of a "very small group" of agitators...it's just good business...I thought you guys liked letting businesses make these decisions. Yes I do like businesses making their own decisions - just not with a gun pointed at my head if I don't. You see that, right? No, not at all. You act as though someone is applying undue pressure to you or putting you under some kind of duress, or threatening you in some way....by not buying your product? No, I see no "gun to the head" here. Just because you may not want to make the decision in question doesn't mean anyone is applying undue pressure. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 11, 2020 8:06:45 GMT -8
No, I see no "gun to the head" here. Just because you may not want to make the decision in question doesn't mean anyone is applying undue pressure. Jesus, VP, are you kidding with this bullshit? For the last three months there have been stories every day or two about businesses being damaged because they take a social position the radical left doesn't like, or employees being fired because of something they said or wrote two or three decades ago. Everyone with something to lose is walking around with a gun to their head held by social justice warriors. It's just that some cave to the fear and some don't. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 11, 2020 8:35:26 GMT -8
Yes I do like businesses making their own decisions - just not with a gun pointed at my head if I don't. You see that, right? No, not at all. You act as though someone is applying undue pressure to you or putting you under some kind of duress, or threatening you in some way....by not buying your product? No, I see no "gun to the head" here. Just because you may not want to make the decision in question doesn't mean anyone is applying undue pressure. Wrong, wrong & wrong. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 11, 2020 9:05:09 GMT -8
No, I see no "gun to the head" here. Just because you may not want to make the decision in question doesn't mean anyone is applying undue pressure. Jesus, VP, are you kidding with this bullshit? For the last three months there have been stories every day or two about businesses being damaged because they take a social position the radical left doesn't like, or employees being fired because of something they said or wrote two or three decades ago. Everyone with something to lose is walking around with a gun to their head held by social justice warriors. It's just that some cave to the fear and some don't. I'm sorry MDdad, I thought we were talking about the CEO of Goya and the boycott. That's the only thing I was referring to in my statement. I have no interest in a discussion about what you think is the "radical left", or "social justice warriors" or any other right-wing nonsense. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 11, 2020 9:56:08 GMT -8
Vile - title of this thread is cancel culture, and refers to the phenomenon of it.
My remarks were more a general statement that can be easily supported by a large # of examples. I don't know what the Goya thing is about, and wasn't referring to it.
Do you think this cancel culture is a right wing manifested conspiracy theory, or is it a real thing?
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Post by Credo on Jul 11, 2020 18:02:44 GMT -8
I've never bought anything from Goya foods before, but I'm in for at least $10 to start. I'm watching the next Trump rally while eating Goya foods, reclining on a MyPillow, and having some Charlie Daniels playing in the background. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 11, 2020 18:41:12 GMT -8
Anyone who denies that the Left is the instigator of Cancel Culture is a willful idiot.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 12, 2020 2:47:06 GMT -8
Do you think this cancel culture is a right wing manifested conspiracy theory, or is it a real thing? I think it's a handy talking point for the right-wing commentators to use but it has no useful or workable definition. You put forward an example and point to it as an example of a "culture" by radical left-wingers....it's just pathetic. Conservatives are calling the boycott of Goya an attempt to "silence free speech". Ridiculous. The CEO of Goya had his free speech, now he's just facing the consequences of that speech. That's the problem with you conservatives...you want the speech but not the consequences. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 12, 2020 2:55:41 GMT -8
Anyone who denies that the Left is the instigator of Cancel Culture is a willful idiot. And anyone who buys into this nonsense is even dumber. Ted Cruz tries to explain why his Nike boycott exerted free speech but Goya boycott silences itThe Texas Republican is criticizing calls for a boycott because the Hispanic food company's CEO praised President Donald Trump.
U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz on Friday said calls for a boycott of Goya Foods because its CEO praised President Donald Trump were an attempt to "silence free speech." But one year ago, the Texas Republican encouraged people to boycott Nike after the company halted plans to sell shoes featuring the Betsy Ross flag that some say glorifies slavery and racism, according to NPR.
"Goya is a staple of Cuban food. My grandparents ate Goya black beans twice a day for nearly 90 years. And now the Left is trying to cancel Hispanic culture and silence free speech," Cruz tweeted on Friday.
Yet Cruz last year said that he wouldn't buy any more Nike products, after the brand decided to pull the sneaker designed with the the 13-star Betsy Ross flag. This decision came after former NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick "expressed the concern to the company that the Betsy Ross flag had been co-opted by groups espousing racist ideologies," according to The New York Times.www.salon.com/2020/07/11/ted-cruz-tries-to-explain-why-his-nike-boycott-exerted-free-speech-but-goya-boycott-silenced-it_partner/So when you guys do a boycott it's patriotic and right, but when the evil "left" does a boycott, it's "Cancel Culture". Hypocrites. 'Cancel Culture" is just another right-wing talking point designed to appeal to the uninformed. Congrats on buying in. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 12, 2020 2:57:05 GMT -8
You really see no problem with an organized boycott of a company simply because the ceo supports the president?
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 12, 2020 3:10:38 GMT -8
You really see no problem with an organized boycott of a company simply because the ceo supports the president? I see no problem with an organized boycott for any reason, and neither should you. It's ok to not agree with the boycott or not participate in it, but the boycott itself is an American tradition going back to the Revolutionary period....yes, we used boycotts against England, but of course it was just the "radical left" at it again. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 12, 2020 3:43:12 GMT -8
What you used as an argument was a precursor to war.
When you boycott for the purpose of gaining political power, the other side is going to fight back and this will escalate.
In the past, boycotts had been about certain, specific practices that activists would want to have changed that weren't necessarily political.
Now, if you aren't on board with the blue coats, you're a red coat, and therefore the enemy that deserves to go out of business...and it's tough shit for the workers there, right? Only blue lives and businesses matter?
Isn't this punishment of opposing political views grounded in the concept of crushing dissent?
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Post by davidsf on Jul 12, 2020 5:55:39 GMT -8
What you used as an argument was a precursor to war. When you boycott for the purpose of gaining political power, the other side is going to fight back and this will escalate. In the past, boycotts had been about certain, specific practices that activists would want to have changed that weren't necessarily political. Now, if you aren't on board with the blue coats, you're a red coat, and therefore the enemy that deserves to go out of business...and it's tough shit for the workers there, right? Only blue lives and businesses matter? Isn't this punishment of opposing political views grounded in the concept of crushing dissent? Our local Marxist councilwoman created a list in Google Docs (for which she refuses to take “credit”) naming all the businesses she doesn’t like, ostensibly those businesses who won’t kowtow to her demands. several of us have openly criticized her for it but she uses the same self-righteous crap we typically see from vile boy. We have told her much the same things you mention here. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 12, 2020 8:15:03 GMT -8
Isn't this punishment of opposing political views grounded in the concept of crushing dissent? You're kidding, right? No Bick it isn't. You just happen to agree with the CEO of Goya. There's nothing evil or even a little bit nefarious about staging a boycott. Get over it. Or...you could remember what you said about boycotting Nike..."Glad Los Al is an Adidas school v. Nike. That swoosh is long gone for me with this move."...I guess that was about something important. |
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