duke
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Post by duke on Jul 22, 2020 12:42:42 GMT -8
Not counting the amount of money the couple will have to spend to defend themselves just because Soros Toadie wants to earn her keep.
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thefrog
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Post by thefrog on Jul 22, 2020 13:11:18 GMT -8
Lucky for them, they likely won’t have to spends whole lot, if anything.
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Jul 22, 2020 13:24:53 GMT -8
I may be ignoring your speculation but I'm not ignoring anything that I should be concerned about. If the prosecutors motives are in question that's a question for the voters in St. Louis. What really isn't in question is how this case should rightfully be resolved...by the courts or by fiat? If you're truly concerned about political influence in this case it's hard to understand why you'd want the Governor or AG to step in and rule by fiat as opposed to letting the justice system handle the case. It's a frivolous charge VP and it doesn't take a genius to put two in two together - shes up for reelection... Shocking how similar this abuse of power is to the Wendy's shooting Prosecutor. If you're going to enforce the Law, you best be enforcing it both ways. Seems to me we are being deluded by vile boy: We started out arguing there was no prosecutable action by the couple. More recently, now, we have been arguing how a prosecution should go. Who t F cares if he understands why the Governor or AG has to get involved. THERE IS NO CASE. So, yes, an official higher than the politically motivated prosecutor is going to have to mitigate the damage done. |
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Post by Bick on Jul 22, 2020 14:03:39 GMT -8
This really speaks into my belief that you'll need to live in areas that are governed as you prefer to live. We're seeing a great example in CA when you consider in the past 10 years, 500k more have exited CA than entered - legally anyway.
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Post by davidsf on Jul 22, 2020 14:53:37 GMT -8
This really speaks into my belief that you'll need to live in areas that are governed as you prefer to live. We're seeing a great example in CA when you consider in the past 10 years, 500k more have exited CA than entered - legally anyway. Illinois, and every Democrat-run jurisdiction, as well. either the democrats have some authoritarian goal in mind, or at some point, they have to realize they are shooting their own feet. honestly, having lived in both CA and IL, I suspect the former. |
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Post by Credo on Jul 22, 2020 20:07:54 GMT -8
So you think that to keep politics out of this we need to involve the Governor and AG....brilliant.It's truly amusing to see how often conservatives are willing to ignore the criminal justice system when they don't like the results and go right for the pardons....like there's never any political blowback from that. Vile, you’re also ignoring the politics driving the Prosecutor who is selectively enforcing the law against one group and ignoring the law in regards to another group. This sentiment is totally consistent with Southern Democrats in the 1950's and 1960's who wanted to keep outside politicians from interfering in their Jim Crow prosecutions. VP would likely have opposed President Eisenhower's sending of the National Guard to enforce school integration in Little Rock, AR, preferring to leave the consequences of segregation to "local voters." And anyone with half a brain can see this is a dangerous and partisan prosecution. It's highly doubtful in the first place that she can win a conviction in this case. The political fallout of a possible pardon will all be in the positive for Trump, conservatives, and those siding with common-sense; any blowback will go against those politicians who support this outrageous and unequal application of the law. |
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thefrog
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Post by thefrog on Jul 22, 2020 20:36:08 GMT -8
A successful prosecution would lead to a very dangerous precedent.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 23, 2020 2:37:29 GMT -8
Seems to me we are being deluded by vile boy: We started out arguing there was no prosecutable action by the couple. More recently, now, we have been arguing how a prosecution should go. Who t F cares if he understands why the Governor or AG has to get involved. THERE IS NO CASE. So, yes, an official higher than the politically motivated prosecutor is going to have to mitigate the damage done. Seems to me you deluded yourself when you claimed there was no action for which the couple could be prosecuted...clearly there was since they are currently being prosecuted. THERE IS A CASE...that's what the couple is being prosecuted on.... If the politically motivated AG or the Governor steps in how does that help keep politics out of the criminal justice system? |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 23, 2020 2:40:30 GMT -8
A successful prosecution would lead to a very dangerous precedent. I'm unaware of what precedent that might be... What very dangerous precedent will be set if the Gov. or AG steps in? Seriously, you people are complaining about political influence affecting this case and your solution seems to be more political interference....hard to understand. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 23, 2020 2:46:45 GMT -8
Vile, you’re also ignoring the politics driving the Prosecutor who is selectively enforcing the law against one group and ignoring the law in regards to another group. This sentiment is totally consistent with Southern Democrats in the 1950's and 1960's who wanted to keep outside politicians from interfering in their Jim Crow prosecutions. VP would likely have opposed President Eisenhower's sending of the National Guard to enforce school integration in Little Rock, AR, preferring to leave the consequences of segregation to "local voters." And anyone with half a brain can see this is a dangerous and partisan prosecution. It's highly doubtful in the first place that she can win a conviction in this case. The political fallout of a possible pardon will all be in the positive for Trump, conservatives, and those siding with common-sense; any blowback will go against those politicians who support this outrageous and unequal application of the law. Your opinions about what I would have done in the 50's and 60's are just flat out wrong. I support what Eisenhower did and would do so today. I can understand why you believe that someone with half a brain thinks this is a dangerous and partisan prosecution, and why you think any "fallout' from granting a pardon will somehow benefit he Republicans. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 23, 2020 16:25:05 GMT -8
Seems to me you deluded yourself when you claimed there was no action for which the couple could be prosecuted...clearly there was since they are currently being prosecuted. A person can be wrongly prosecuted. The fact that they were prosecuted does not show there was an action for which they could be prosecuted. They were many black men in the Jim Crow south who were prosecuted for actions that never should have been brought to court. |
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Post by davidsf on Jul 23, 2020 16:28:37 GMT -8
Seems to me you deluded yourself when you claimed there was no action for which the couple could be prosecuted...clearly there was since they are currently being prosecuted. A person can be wrongly prosecuted. The fact that they were prosecuted does not show there was an action for which they could be prosecuted. They were many black men in the Jim Crow south who were prosecuted for actions that never should have been brought to court. Yep. sentient beings understood what I said. |
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davidsf
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Post by davidsf on Jul 25, 2020 7:28:35 GMT -8
SURPRISE
(or maybe not)
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Aug 5, 2020 8:54:19 GMT -8
2A guarantees 1A.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 5, 2020 12:18:30 GMT -8
So by pointing a gun at the protesters and escorting them away at gunpoint they were guaranteeing the protesters right to peaceably assemble?
Is that your argument?
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