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Post by RSM789 on Jun 30, 2020 19:06:54 GMT -8
I think a reasonable person... ...I don't think a reasonable person... ...A reasonable person would ... You can look at another mans hairy ass & find love, so what you think is really a moot point. |
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jun 30, 2020 20:28:31 GMT -8
Let's cut to the chase and zero in on the real--and politically incorrect--reason why the MSM considers the St. Louis couple to be Public Enemy #1: a white married couple stood up to the mob and lawfully defended their hard-earned property and WON.
They didn't roll over and apologize for their "white privilege"; they didn't take a knee; they didn't grovel in their Wokeness and solidarity with the phony narrative of systemic racism. According to everything we've been subjected to from virtually every corner of the media, the Democrats, Hollywood, and ESPN, this is not supposed to happen (kinda like Donald Trump). Instead of trying to "understand" the barbarians, these people looked the Leftist bullies in the face and turned them away--and they just might inspire the Sleeping Giant of untold millions of normal Americans to do the same.
And THAT is something that makes the Left tremble.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 3:51:08 GMT -8
Conflating issues here. In st louis, that couple didn't use deadly force. What they did was serve notice that they would. Seemed to work OK. If you're hiding inside, your house may get destroyed while you pray the police show up in time, or if at all. The question remains - how would you know the extent to which a mob, that just broke down and poured thru the security gate to your neighborhood, would not continue down a destructive path that would include YOUR home? Are you saying you would stay inside, wait for them to break in, and then open fire on them? In the case of the guy in the truck surrounded by the mob in Utah, at what point are you going to step on the gas, or pull out your gun? AFTER you see it pointed at you? The couple in St. Louis are being investigated by the police, and they're being raked over the coals in the media...did it work out ok? Yes, I would wait for them to break in before I opened fire. I know nothing about the case of the guy in the truck and I doubt anything meaningful can be gathered from watching a twitter video, but I see no reason to react to a situation before the situation presents itself. The guy in St. Louis is an excellent example of why you don't get an AR for home defense. When you brandish it like that it just makes you look like a crazy person. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 3:51:49 GMT -8
So you can only brandish a gun if you fear bodily injury, but not if they're just going to steal and vandalize your property? Yep, that's the law. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 3:53:57 GMT -8
They called the police and they never showed up. Saying this is private property and demand they leave is exchanging insults? They went outside because a lot of people are sick of these mobs and weren't allowing themselves to be the victims. I don't believe that the protesters went to the mayor's house and the police didn't show up. I don't believe the version of events as stated by the couple on the porch. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 3:55:40 GMT -8
Why are you people dropping to this leper’s level? Surely you can abundantly see he is full of crap and has no regard (nor, apparently, ability) for reason or logic. Clearly you don't want to be part of the discussion...so why are you in this thread again? Just to be insulting. How typical. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 4:01:03 GMT -8
So not only does your missing video prove what you claim it proves, but it also proves how dishonest Twitter is doesn't it? Why not just wait for some reliable evidence from a reliable source? Your tirade might make sense, except for the fact that I saw (and heard), the video before it was taken down. Whether you believe me or not, will not have any effect on my sleep tonight. Thanks to YouTube here's PART of that video, although some of the insults and threats are censored/missing from this shortened video, but you can hear the threat at the beginning, calling her a bitch and threatening that they were going to be coming for her. Among the other terms missing from this shortened version, was "cunt," and after the man threatens to take her gun from her, he adds that he'll use it on her. I will acknowledge that what I thought was a long gun in the crowd, actually appears to be sound equipment, I believe. Absolutely nothing in the video or your claims legally justifies pointing a loaded weapon at someone. But as an aside the guy with the assault rifle is going to get a face full of brass if he shoots that thing left-handed. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 1, 2020 4:02:44 GMT -8
I think a reasonable person... ...I don't think a reasonable person... ...A reasonable person would ... You can look at another mans hairy ass & find love, so what you think is really a moot point. You do like to talk about men's asses a lot. |
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Credo
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Post by Credo on Jul 1, 2020 8:08:18 GMT -8
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Post by Credo on Jul 1, 2020 9:11:40 GMT -8
The Gun Control debate is dead and over with. If liberals are unhappy with that, they only have themselves to blame.
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Post by Bick on Jul 1, 2020 9:20:33 GMT -8
Conflating issues here. In st louis, that couple didn't use deadly force. What they did was serve notice that they would. Seemed to work OK. If you're hiding inside, your house may get destroyed while you pray the police show up in time, or if at all. The question remains - how would you know the extent to which a mob, that just broke down and poured thru the security gate to your neighborhood, would not continue down a destructive path that would include YOUR home? Are you saying you would stay inside, wait for them to break in, and then open fire on them? In the case of the guy in the truck surrounded by the mob in Utah, at what point are you going to step on the gas, or pull out your gun? AFTER you see it pointed at you? The couple in St. Louis are being investigated by the police, and they're being raked over the coals in the media...did it work out ok? Yes, I would wait for them to break in before I opened fire. I know nothing about the case of the guy in the truck and I doubt anything meaningful can be gathered from watching a twitter video, but I see no reason to react to a situation before the situation presents itself. The guy in St. Louis is an excellent example of why you don't get an AR for home defense. When you brandish it like that it just makes you look like a crazy person. If it's my house I'm defending, I could give a crap what the media thinks of me. I'd also be willing to be investigated by the police for defending my home while a mob breaks through a security gate into my community. I'm going to err on the side of caution, and have a clear deterrent in the event I encounter a mob. I guess you'd call me being proactive v. reactive. Not trying to get too intrusive, but do you own your home? Trying to figure out why we see defending our property / families so differently. As for the Provo Do these guys look like crazy people too? |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 1, 2020 20:12:33 GMT -8
You can look at another mans hairy ass & find love, so what you think is really a moot point. You do like to talk about men's asses a lot. Most would agree that just talking is much better compared to your alternatives... |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 2, 2020 2:43:53 GMT -8
You do like to talk about men's asses a lot. Most would agree that just talking is much better compared to your alternatives... Most would also agree that for an alleged heterosexual you talk about gay sex A LOT...a lot more than any gay guy I've ever known. Perhaps some counseling could reveal the reason why. |
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 2, 2020 3:01:33 GMT -8
Bick, the multilple quotes in posts are making it very hard to respond but here goes... I understand that you don't care what the media thinks but I was speaking about the couple in St' Louis who may not share your indifference. Would you be so cavalier about a police investigation if it found you committed a crime? The couple in St. Louis are personal injury lawyers, and this publicity has not helped their business. From NPR: Today, a spokesperson for the Missouri Bar Association said it received dozens of calls for the McCloskey’s licenses to be revoked. People also took to Facebook and posted thousands of negative comments on the couple’s law firm’s page. news.stlpublicradio.org/post/st-louis-couple-points-guns-protesters-was-it-legal#stream/0Erring on the side of caution is good. This couple erred on the side of overreacting. They pointed loaded guns at people who were walking past their house because they were very afraid. People who are very afraid don't make good decisions. Interestingly the article also mentions the "private street" where these people live. As to your picture the answer is I don't know because I don't know what threat the gentlemen with rifles perceived, but according to the news the looting in Minneapolis was a lot worse than in St. Louis. You're trying to compare violence with non-violence and the reactions to it shouldn't be the same, nor does the law treat them the same. |
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Post by thefrog on Jul 2, 2020 5:39:59 GMT -8
Bick, the multilple quotes in posts are making it very hard to respond but here goes... I understand that you don't care what the media thinks but I was speaking about the couple in St' Louis who may not share your indifference. Would you be so cavalier about a police investigation if it found you committed a crime? The couple in St. Louis are personal injury lawyers, and this publicity has not helped their business. From NPR: Today, a spokesperson for the Missouri Bar Association said it received dozens of calls for the McCloskey’s licenses to be revoked. People also took to Facebook and posted thousands of negative comments on the couple’s law firm’s page. news.stlpublicradio.org/post/st-louis-couple-points-guns-protesters-was-it-legal#stream/0Erring on the side of caution is good. This couple erred on the side of overreacting. They pointed loaded guns at people who were walking past their house because they were very afraid. People who are very afraid don't make good decisions. Interestingly the article also mentions the "private street" where these people live. As to your picture the answer is I don't know because I don't know what threat the gentlemen with rifles perceived, but according to the news the looting in Minneapolis was a lot worse than in St. Louis. You're trying to compare violence with non-violence and the reactions to it shouldn't be the same, nor does the law treat them the same. You're missing a huge point VP: that mob broke into their property. According to Black's Law Dictionary, a trespasser is "One who has committed trespass; one who unlawfully enters or intrudes upon another’s land, or unlawfully and forcibly takes another’s personal property." Clearly the mob entered their property without their permission as evidenced by pictures of the broken gate. Given the current climate, do you think its unusual that people would call the ABA or leave negative comments on the couple's firm's page? It takes a lot more than this to get someone punished or disbarred, trust me. |
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