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Post by vilepagan on Jul 5, 2020 15:00:33 GMT -8
Do you think there is a greater threat level of violence today? If so, do you think the CW holders are instigating it, or more likely defending themselves? Of course there's more of a threat of violence if you have more people carrying. I don't think it matters much who instigates a situation if it ends up with someone needlessly shot. Look at the woman in your latest example. Why did she draw her weapon and point it at someone? What once would have been nothing but a shouting match now escalated to a possible shooting, all because this woman decided to be a tough guy and draw down on someone with whom she was arguing. As to little davey's assertion that this woman underwent some kind of training I can assure you there's no such requirement. It's ridiculously easy to get a CCL, at least here in PA. You must fill out this one page form: www.phila.gov/media/20170828145656/LTC_APP_080117.pdfYou must get a passport photo taken, cost ~ 8.00 if I remember right... You must pay the city a fee of 20.00. Then you must visit the place of issuance twice, once to apply and once to pick up your permit. Similar to a visit to the DMV, lots of waiting. When you apply you undergo a brief interview where they ask you why you want the permit and then you go away and wait ~30 days. You get a letter and go pick up your permit. Good for 5 years. No training, no questions about gun handling experience, no vetting other than a background check to see if you're wanted somewhere for something. So yeah, there will be more problems in the future due to people having CCL's that shouldn't have such a permit.
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Post by Bick on Jul 5, 2020 16:17:45 GMT -8
You're probably right in a sense.
But what about the people that didn't have weapons or police to defend themselves or their property? Too bad for them?
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 5, 2020 17:55:51 GMT -8
Do you think there is a greater threat level of violence today? If so, do you think the CW holders are instigating it, or more likely defending themselves? Of course there's more of a threat of violence if you have more people carrying. . That is not true. As gun ownership has risen over the past decades, shootings have dropped substantially. I understand that you are talking about carrying, but they are a subset of ownership and shootings, so it follows that carrying has also increased while shootings from one who carries has also decreased.
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 5, 2020 18:08:06 GMT -8
No training, no questions about gun handling experience, no vetting other than a background check to see if you're wanted somewhere for something. So yeah, there will be more problems in the future due to people having CCL's that shouldn't have such a permit. The underlying basis for demands of some government agency to question all those who request concealed carry permits, to vet their background, is a lack of trust in human nature and an unquestioned trust in government control. That is completely backwards. Criminals, people who have no intention in following the law, will not go through the steps required for a CC permit. They will just CC without it. So all the process does is slow down or intimidate people who want to CC in order to protect themselves or their neighborhoods. There is not some giant contingent of wannabe vigilantes, folks who are going to run around shooting at anyone they deem dangerous, whose want to CC is stopped by government bureaucracy. Heck, even George Zimmerman, the lefts poster boy against CC, didn't shoot until Trayvon Martin was straddled above him, slamming his head into the concrete.
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Post by Credo on Jul 5, 2020 21:26:23 GMT -8
This was on Saturday. Having a large crowd heckling you right outside your property--not intimidating at all. Just glad they decided not to trespass this time.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 6, 2020 4:02:10 GMT -8
It's nice to see the Bill of Rights in action. The McCloskey's are no doubt patting themselves on the back for their circumspection.
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Post by thefrog on Jul 6, 2020 4:42:16 GMT -8
Guess people have a lot of time on their hands...
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Post by Oakley on Jul 6, 2020 5:35:15 GMT -8
Does anybody know why the McCloskey’s are being targeted this time around? Is it because they had the courage to defend their property in the first place?
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Post by davidsf on Jul 6, 2020 6:13:24 GMT -8
Does anybody know why the McCloskey’s are being targeted this time around? Is it because they had the courage to defend their property in the first place? I believe it is 100% political. the Prosecuting attorney likely has close ties to BLM and has been waiting for just such an opportunity.
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Post by thefrog on Jul 6, 2020 6:13:31 GMT -8
Does anybody know why the McCloskey’s are being targeted this time around? Is it because they had the courage to defend their property in the first place? It’s perplexing to say the least.
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Post by duke on Jul 6, 2020 9:12:09 GMT -8
Do these idiots believe this will turn those sitting on the fence to their way of thinking? Trump just picked up more votes because of this.
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Post by Credo on Jul 6, 2020 9:51:02 GMT -8
Does anybody know why the McCloskey’s are being targeted this time around? Is it because they had the courage to defend their property in the first place?Ding, ding, ding!!! From my post of June 30: Let's cut to the chase and zero in on the real--and politically incorrect--reason why the MSM considers the St. Louis couple to be Public Enemy #1: a white married couple stood up to the mob and lawfully defended their hard-earned property and WON.
They didn't roll over and apologize for their "white privilege"; they didn't take a knee; they didn't grovel in their Wokeness and solidarity with the phony narrative of systemic racism. According to everything we've been subjected to from virtually every corner of the media, the Democrats, Hollywood, and ESPN, this is not supposed to happen (kinda like Donald Trump). Instead of trying to "understand" the barbarians, these people looked the Leftist bullies in the face and turned them away--and they just might inspire the Sleeping Giant of untold millions of normal Americans to do the same.The Left cannot let this precedent stand, so they'll do whatever they can to harass these people--socially or legally--as an example to others who would stand up to the mob.
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Post by duke on Jul 6, 2020 10:08:09 GMT -8
Correct, I also saw an article from our media, where they got an extra dig on the couple by publishing the Husbands age of 61 and that of his wife as 63. Was there any news value for them to print their ages. I'm sure Mrs. McCloskley really appreciated that.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 7, 2020 2:56:34 GMT -8
So it's wrong for the media to tell the truth about the McCloskey's but it's ok for Mr. McCloskey to lie about the protesters at every opportunity...got it.
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Post by vilepagan on Jul 7, 2020 2:57:20 GMT -8
Does anybody know why the McCloskey’s are being targeted this time around? Is it because they had the courage to defend their property in the first place? I believe it is 100% political. the Prosecuting attorney likely has close ties to BLM and has been waiting for just such an opportunity. ROFL. You don't even know what BLM is...
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