davidsf
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Oct 21, 2020 19:48:48 GMT -8
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Post by davidsf on Oct 21, 2020 19:48:48 GMT -8
Looks like the pope has a different interpretation of the Bible than his predecessors with the same sex union endorsement. That disappointed me: I’m sure there are things... theological knowledge on which he and I will disagree... But I did not expect this would be one of them. There is no “right” to marry. And there is no such thing as a “Gay Christian “ (although a Christian can struggle with temptation to any sin... in fact, most are tempted sin)
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Post by Credo on Oct 21, 2020 20:22:04 GMT -8
I don't know what to say about Pope Francis at this point. His reckless comments cannot alter Scripture, the moral law, or Church teaching. Not sure what his end game is here, but he's risking a schism while undermining the credibility of the Church.
Benedict XVI should never have retired.
No more Jesuit popes!
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Oct 21, 2020 20:26:17 GMT -8
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Post by thefrog on Oct 21, 2020 20:26:17 GMT -8
Notice the Pope approved of civil unions... not unions in the church
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Post by RSM789 on Oct 21, 2020 20:30:01 GMT -8
Notice the Pope approved of civil unions... not unions in the church When in Rome...
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Post by Bick on Oct 21, 2020 20:48:37 GMT -8
Notice the Pope approved of civil unions... not unions in the church Seems odd he'd offer an opinion on that if his intent wasn't to approve in the church.
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Oct 21, 2020 20:52:05 GMT -8
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Post by thefrog on Oct 21, 2020 20:52:05 GMT -8
Notice the Pope approved of civil unions... not unions in the church Seems odd he'd offer an opinion on that if his intent wasn't to approve in the church. Sounded like virtue signaling to me. “The church approves of gay marriage, but you can’t actually get married in the church”
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 22, 2020 1:11:02 GMT -8
But this isn't marriage is it. Is there any rule in the church that says a priest can't be a member of a civil union?
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Post by vilepagan on Oct 22, 2020 1:11:41 GMT -8
Notice the Pope approved of civil unions... not unions in the church Seems odd he'd offer an opinion on that if his intent wasn't to approve in the church. Indeed. Perhaps he's looking to the future.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 22, 2020 7:29:32 GMT -8
I don't know what to say about Pope Francis at this point. His reckless comments cannot alter Scripture, the moral law, or Church teaching. Not sure what his end game is here, but he's risking a schism while undermining the credibility of the Church. Benedict XVI should never have retired. No more Jesuit popes! I have not paid close attention, but hasn’t he, in the past, also watered down the Church’s position on other social issues?
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Post by ProfessorFate on Oct 25, 2020 16:53:29 GMT -8
I don't know what to say about Pope Francis at this point. His reckless comments cannot alter Scripture, the moral law, or Church teaching. Not sure what his end game is here, but he's risking a schism while undermining the credibility of the Church. Benedict XVI should never have retired. No more Jesuit popes! Pope Francis relaxed a few things in the Catholic Church that my wife and I took advantage of. But overall I also wish Benedict had not retired. Now he has gone yet another step too far for me...Guess who he mad a cardinal today? The guy who attacked Trump, but who lets pro-abortion Nancy Pelosi speak at his basilica.
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Post by davidsf on Oct 28, 2020 7:40:02 GMT -8
In 1 Kings 19, the prophet Elijah if defeated and afraid. Jezebel has sworn to kill him and he is running, at one point praying that God would just take his life.
the night he hid in a cave, God said to him, “Elijah, why are you here?”
note, He did not say “why are you there?”
because God was WITH him, not distant from him.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 4, 2020 5:01:32 GMT -8
So, something the media did NOT report was that the Pope, on his now infamous “blessing” on civil unions, was misquoted and taken out of context by the Russian source (I know, weird, right?) that started the maelstrom... the Vatican’s newsletter has now clarified that the Pope was not changing Church doctrine, but speaking of a State construct. VATICAN LETTER ON POPE’S CIVIL UNION REMARKS ASSURES DOCTRINE UNCHANGED
I might not be relating this clearly, so read the article for yourself. short version is, the Pope was speaking to two separate questions: - Homosexuals should not be discriminated against, but receive caring pastoral guidance, and
- [The state has provided] Civil Unions for their legal protections.
there. Clear as mud?
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Post by davidsf on Nov 8, 2020 9:10:09 GMT -8
I heard something in our message this morning that gave me pause...
Those of us who profess to be Christ-followers (a.k.a. “Christians”) know Jesus is the only way to salvation. <period>
In the 4th chapter of the book of Acts, verses 9 through 12, the Apostle Peter states,
I looked up the origin of some of those words and I find “no other name” means NO OTHER name. Which says to me, Jesus is the on,y way to Heaven. Not Buddha, Not Mohammed, Not Sid Harta or Molluck (Baal)... only, uniquely, exclusively irreplaceably Jesus.
in past discussions, I have held that line when talking about Muslims, or Buddhists (et al), but I have great difficulty saying Jews are lost without Jesus.
while the Bible DOES state that they WILL recognize Jesus as the Messiah when we get to the end times, so clearly those Jews will be saved, but I’m not so sure anymore about Jews who die today. I THINK before Jesus lived on earth, Jews who looked forward to the advent of the Messiah were “grandfathered” in, but since Jesus was crucified, died, and rose again, He WAS and is the Messiah whether or not they (or, btw, we) recognize Him.
what are your thoughts.
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Post by Credo on Nov 8, 2020 19:50:58 GMT -8
You don't need my thoughts. Take it from Christ himself:
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
Does that mean that one must explicitly confess Jesus as Lord in order to be saved? Not necessarily--I cannot judge anyone's salvation--but I read this to mean that anyone who is saved is only saved by the merits of the redemption wrought by Christ through his Cross and Resurrection. Christians have never believed that all religions are merely "different pathways to the same destination." This would be mere indifferentism, which clearly contradicts everything the Old and New Testaments says about salvation.
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Post by davidsf on Nov 14, 2020 9:03:44 GMT -8
From Mere Christianity:
a simple truth as well as an apt defeat of some of the arguments we hear... both spiritual AND political.
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