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Post by vilepagan on Aug 12, 2020 12:48:23 GMT -8
There seems to be a large number of Republicans who are speaking out about trump and how they can no longer support him...since you don't want to listen to me, I thought you might listen to them...so here they are...
We'll start with this guy:
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Post by SK80 on Aug 12, 2020 13:20:48 GMT -8
Makes no sense, anyone whom read the Mueller report and actually understands it could not take a stance against the President without "PRE-EXISTING FEELINGS"!
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Post by davidsf on Aug 12, 2020 14:41:47 GMT -8
Makes no sense, anyone whom read the Mueller report and actually understands it could not take a stance against the President without "PRE-EXISTING FEELINGS"! See, that’s one thing (amongst many) someone like vile boy just doesn’t understand. there are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle who simply do not like Trump. I don’t know what his OP says, but from your response, I gather the existence of republicans who don’t like Trump is some sort of epiphany. but heres the deal: EVEN though they don’t like Trump, they will still vote for him because 1) They ARE republicans, and 2) The alternative is... well, let’s just say only nimrods and fools would vote for Biden and Kamala. |
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Post by RSM789 on Aug 12, 2020 20:26:07 GMT -8
There seems to be a large number of Republicans who are speaking out about trump and how they can no longer support him...since you don't want to listen to me... No, we listen to you, its just that you often make an illogical & poorly informed argument. So we dismiss you as being incorrect. There also seems to be a large number of Southern Californians driving around with Trump flags on their cars & trucks. There are multiple street vendors selling Trump paraphernalia in the cities I drive through. No Biden flags, no Biden bumper stickers, no enthusiasm. All of that happening in a blue state in which Hillary had 3 million more votes than Trump. Wondering how many have left the left & joined the silent majority and are now finding their voices... |
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Post by Bick on Aug 12, 2020 23:46:42 GMT -8
Been mentioned here numerous times that hardly anyone likes how trump behaves. What he's trying to do for this country, I'm on board with.
I believed there was some middle ground between right and left, which is the main reason I've remained an independent.
It's supposed to be about the issues. Unfortunately, Trump's character flaws seem to be the only issues the other party seems capable of addressing.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2020 3:41:46 GMT -8
I see...you're on board with what trump is doing, but you don't like the guy himself...
In today's installment we have a nice lady from Michigan who doesn't like what trump has done:
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Post by MDDad on Aug 13, 2020 6:31:16 GMT -8
That's an interesting video. If a lifelong Republican, who references the vision of the founding fathers, really believes that Joe Biden and today's radicalized Democratic party more closely represent her traditional conservative values, she's badly deluded or misinformed.
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Post by thefrog on Aug 13, 2020 6:38:57 GMT -8
That's an interesting video. If a lifelong Republican, who references the vision of the founding fathers, really believes that Joe Biden and today's radicalized Democratic party more closely represent her traditional conservative values, she's badly deluded or misinformed. Then she ain’t a Republican! |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2020 6:59:22 GMT -8
Perhaps, but you're missing the point...she used to VOTE republican...now she plans to vote for Biden.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2020 7:01:47 GMT -8
If a lifelong Republican, who references the vision of the founding fathers, really believes that Joe Biden and today's radicalized Democratic party more closely represent her traditional conservative values, she's badly deluded or misinformed. Perhaps she doesn't believe the whole "Joe Biden and today's radicalized Democratic party" talking-point nonsense. Perhaps it's someone else who's "badly deluded" or "misinformed". |
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Post by duke on Aug 13, 2020 7:13:32 GMT -8
People like the lady from Michigan I just don't understand. This election isn't about Trump. It's the values and the direction the two parties are taking our Country. If she actually believes that the Democrats platform which Biden is running on, is what she now believes. She isn't a Republican.
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Post by Bick on Aug 13, 2020 7:58:20 GMT -8
People like the lady from Michigan I just don't understand. This election isn't about Trump. It's the values and the direction the two parties are taking our Country. If she actually believes that the Democrats platform which Biden is running on, is what she now believes. She isn't a Republican. Values and direction is exactly the issue. We get way too caught up in character flaws, and trying to discredit the leaders, instead of discussing the consequences of the various initiatives being proposed. It's almost like you're speaking Chinese whenever you try to engage on that level with anyone from the opposing side. Both left and right are guilty of this. How many times will we hear different references to Kamala Harris doing Willie Brown in the next 90 days? |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2020 8:07:03 GMT -8
I can understand why you don't want to discuss character flaws, your candidate has way, way, way too many...but on the other hand that's what you guys do best on this forum...make fun of people you don't like...and that's what your guy does best...insult people. I can see why he appeals to you but you keep saying that's the one thing you don't like about him...hard to understand.
Funny thing is, if you watch the campaign ads Biden's ads are a lot more upbeat and positive while all trump has is fear-mongering, lies, and insults.
The truth is that whatever you accuse Biden or his running mate of doing trump does worse...whether it be speaking gaffes or marital indiscretions, your guy is worse.
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Post by MDDad on Aug 13, 2020 8:13:56 GMT -8
Values and direction is exactly the issue. We get way too caught up in character flaws, and trying to discredit the leaders, instead of discussing the consequences of the various initiatives being proposed. When deciding who is to be the next leader of the free world and the most powerful man on the planet, character flaws (and obvious mental impairments) are arguably as important as policy positions |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2020 8:50:55 GMT -8
I agree MDDad, and so apparently does Lindsey Graham...
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