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Post by Oakley on Sept 21, 2020 5:54:23 GMT -8
You are wrong! Obama is a Democrat and the Senate was Republican, therefore Garland would not have been approved! Do you get that? No you are wrong!...feel better when you say that? Do you get that nominees are supposed to be voted on based on their legal credentials not their political ideology? I agree that Garland would not have been confirmed by the wildly partisan Senate regardless of the fact that he was considered a moderate nominee but that doesn't mean the Senate gets to take a pass on their obligations. The Republicans who concocted the "rule" that they used to block his nomination for 11 months were just making a blatant power grab. It will come back to haunt them. You are wrong. I will spell it out again. The Democrats chose not to pursue a vote as a strategy because they believed Hillary would be elected and to make the Republicans look bad. And look at you, you fell for it!
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Post by vilepagan on Sept 21, 2020 5:59:41 GMT -8
Repeating your dumbass argument doesn't make it any better. You need to take responsibility for what the Republicans did rather than being a coward and trying to blame it on Democrats. Denying Garland a vote was not a Democrat strategy. Refusing to do their jobs was not a Democrat strategy. Lying about it now is also not a Democrat strategy....it's your strategy.
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Post by Oakley on Sept 21, 2020 6:07:31 GMT -8
WHY THE SENATE DOESN’T HAVE TO ACT ON MERRICK GARLAND’S NOMINATION Does the Senate have to hold hearings and a vote on President Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick Garland to the U.S. Supreme Court? The Constitution says that unless the Senate gives advice and consent Garland cannot be appointed, but it does not require the Senate to do anything in response to the nomination. The relevant text is the appointments clause of Article II, Section 2, which provides: “[The president] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States…” This language makes the Senate’s consent a prerequisite to presidential appointments, but it does not place any duty on the Senate to act nor describe how it should proceed in its decision-making process. Even if the word “shall” in the clause is read as mandatory, “shall” refers only to things the president does. Instead, the Senate’s core role in appointments is as a check on the president, which it exercises by not giving consent—a choice it can make simply by not acting. constitutioncenter.org/blog/why-the-senate-doesnt-have-to-act-on-merrick-garlands-nomination/
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2020 6:09:00 GMT -8
I see enough "This Post is Hidden" entries that I can only assume VP's (representing liberal minds) brain is exploding over the new SCOTUS seat about to be filled. I can see from your posts that your brain exploded a long time ago.
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Post by Oakley on Sept 21, 2020 6:44:04 GMT -8
Read this and do yourself a favor and click on the link and you may learn something. Also, help you to not constantly make a fool out of yourself. Repeating your dumbass argument doesn't make it any better. You need to take responsibility for what the Republicans did rather than being a coward and trying to blame it on Democrats. Denying Garland a vote was not a Democrat strategy. Refusing to do their jobs was not a Democrat strategy. Lying about it now is also not a Democrat strategy....it's your strategy. It also has been argued that the Democrats caved to McConnell's pressure tactics in the Garland case. They should have found a way to force a vote or "shut down the Senate" to light a spark. But Democrats are generally averse to government shutdown strategies, especially considering the potential blowback on their own candidates. In 2016, it was still the Obama era and the Democrats' executive administration. Shutdowns rarely help the party perceived to be in power, even if it's not really in control. So it was safer, in the judgments of spring and summer 2016, to let the Republicans look intransigent and unfair and hope somebody noticed. Perhaps the injustice to Garland would help Democrats win seats in supposedly blue states such as Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, and even red ones such as Missouri and North Carolina. Instead, the country moved on. There were highly contentious primaries in both parties and plenty of other news to preoccupy everyone. Besides, and lest we forget, the Senate Democrats and most everyone else thought they had an insurance policy on the Scalia vacancy. The assumption was that Hillary Clinton would be elected. Clinton, who did, after all, win the popular vote by several million votes, might even have helped carry in a Democratic Senate. And then she could have renominated Garland, or someone younger and more liberal. As it sorted out, the Democrats were cautious, overconfident and misinformed about the mood of the country. They lost in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Missouri and North Carolina, winding up still in the minority. www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2020 7:50:16 GMT -8
So what you are saying Oakley is "ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"!!!
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Post by MDDad on Sept 21, 2020 7:54:29 GMT -8
If Democrats didn't push for a vote because they thought Hillary would win, I guess that proves that stupid assumptions also have consequences.
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Post by Oakley on Sept 21, 2020 8:10:12 GMT -8
So what you are saying Oakley is "ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"!!! Yes, but Obama said it first. And then Trump just said it recently.
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2020 8:47:58 GMT -8
So what you are saying Oakley is "ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"!!! Yes, but Obama said it first. And then Trump just said it recently.
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Post by tarmac on Sept 21, 2020 9:58:28 GMT -8
We need to have a full SC before the election.
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Post by Oakley on Sept 21, 2020 10:03:38 GMT -8
Yes, but Obama said it first. And then Trump just said it recently. I read that Obama was fond of saying that during his administration and of course President Trump said it in response to Obama’s request or demand regarding RBG’s last wish not to fill her seat until after the election.
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Post by MDDad on Sept 21, 2020 10:09:13 GMT -8
The current partisan histrionics surrounding Supreme Court nominations and confirmations can be traced back to 1987 and 1991, when Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas were mercilessly raked over the coals for purely partisan reasons. And surprise, surprise, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee that conducted both of those circus hearings was none other than good old Sleepy Joe Biden.
So if Joe ever brings up the political heat and vitriol surrounding Supreme Court nominations these days, the response should be, "Joe, you probably can't remember this, but YOU STARTED IT!"
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Post by SK80 on Sept 21, 2020 11:42:12 GMT -8
The current partisan histrionics surrounding Supreme Court nominations and confirmations can be traced back to 1987 and 1991, when Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas were mercilessly raked over the coals for purely partisan reasons. And surprise, surprise, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee that conducted both of those circus hearings was none other than good old Sleepy Joe Biden. So if Joe ever brings up the political heat and vitriol surrounding Supreme Court nominations these days, the response should be, "Joe, you probably can't remember this, but YOU STARTED IT!" Agree completely, from Bork and Thomas to dancing on Scalia's grave and then the transparent hearings in an attempt to destroy Kavanaugh and his family there is without a doubt that payback is long over due. This is it, it's now, chance like these rarely if ever come. #FillTheSeat
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Post by tarmac on Sept 21, 2020 11:46:10 GMT -8
Mitch has the votes.
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Post by vilepagan on Sept 21, 2020 12:36:36 GMT -8
How many times are you going to make the same dumb argument? Now you're saying the Republicans never had any obligation to respond to Obama's nominations...brilliant. It's hard to have a discussion with people who can't see beyond the end of their noses.
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