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Post by billb on Dec 4, 2021 12:29:35 GMT -8
1223 deaths in the first three months. And that was just with Pfizer. What about Moderna and J&J. We need a similar court filing with those companies. It is interesting how the FDA didn't want to release the documents for 55 years. Wow, that is a government agency. Another example of what happens with corporate and government collusion, IMO.
As per Frog's comment: Remember about 150K or more people in the US die from the seasonal flu / pneumonia. As to Dave's #4 point: They used to count people who had the flu but died from a comorbitity as dying for that other ailment. That changed in 2020 with COVID. I don't believe they counted seasonal flu deaths in 2020, we should drop 300 to 400K from the COVID deaths over the two year period. At least that number. I suspect COVID deaths, using the conventional method of tabulation, is between 100K and 200K. That is a lot, almost as much as all of the different seasonal flu deaths combined.
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Post by thefrog on Dec 4, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -8
First three months... but what about now? How many over the entirety of the vaccines release.
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Post by billb on Dec 4, 2021 13:18:00 GMT -8
It is amazing that the FDA wanted 55 years to release their data. There is a lot of data Frog, and they are releasing it a little at a time. It is amazing that there is so much dirt just in the first release.
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Post by MDDad on Dec 4, 2021 13:19:29 GMT -8
How many over the entirety of the vaccines release. That's a number we can't determine because of the combining of deaths from and with Covid that I described above. My son is just one nurse in one hospital, but he's had patients who died of massive heart attacks or wrapping their motorcycles around a tree, and they were both listed as Covid deaths because they tested positive when admitted. Further, let's not make the common mistake of confusing correlation and causation. If a person dies after receiving a shot, we can't necessarily conclude that the shot killed him, especially if he is elderly, without extensive, expensive testing. |
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Post by billb on Dec 11, 2021 22:31:56 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Dec 12, 2021 8:59:38 GMT -8
How many over the entirety of the vaccines release. That's a number we can't determine because of the combining of deaths from and with Covid that I described above. My son is just one nurse in one hospital, but he's had patients who died of massive heart attacks or wrapping their motorcycles around a tree, and they were both listed as Covid deaths because they tested positive when admitted. Further, let's not make the common mistake of confusing correlation and causation. If a person dies after receiving a shot, we can't necessarily conclude that the shot killed him, especially if he is elderly, without extensive, expensive testing. I guess the best way to challenge that thought would be to compare like vaccines, and adverse effects. How many people died soon after receiving flu vaccine v # that died soon after receiving covid vax? Then separate by age groups. |
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Post by thefrog on Dec 12, 2021 9:08:28 GMT -8
Are there like vaccines? Figured this was the first of its kind.
JnJ? Nova Vax?
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Post by thefrog on Dec 14, 2021 9:48:19 GMT -8
Bicks argument.
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Post by billb on Dec 14, 2021 12:06:22 GMT -8
The United States doesn't collect data like this, and if they CDC does, they don't report it. The UK does. 
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Post by thefrog on Dec 14, 2021 12:55:01 GMT -8
Doesn't it make sense that many previously vaccinated folk are now getting covid? We've been told that protection may last only six months...
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Post by billb on Dec 14, 2021 20:01:20 GMT -8
I thought Alex Jones was a conspiracy theorist when he said they are going to want everyone to be vaccinated several times a year.
Frog, I think people should stop getting vaccinated. IMO, the vaccines put people at risk. I read the other day that the Japanese quit vaccinating. Their scientist actually opened up the vial and looked at the contents. I think it is worse than the vaccines not working.
It is sad that we have to get data from the UK and Israel. Our FDA says it will take 75 years to release the Pfizer data. That is up from 55 years just a few weeks ago.
The data from the UK is on the government websites. Their data is released on a bi-monthly if not weekly basis. They are behind a month, but not 75 years.
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Post by davidsf on Dec 15, 2021 6:36:13 GMT -8
You just KNOW we will see more stories like this one from The Hill: Man whose wife won legal ruling dies one week after receiving ivermectin
Interestingly, the article does not mention if it was the Ivermectin that killed him, or the delay in getting it... maybe they have just not yet figured it out? There is an interesting tag at the end of the article: - Note, it does not say WHAT the misinformation is (whether misinformation that it US or IS not effective); and
- The comment from the FDA is irrelevant: Everyone already knows what it is "approved" for.
- (no one is disputing that: People want to see the FDA promoting the human trials in which not has been shown effective against COVID)
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Post by MDDad on Dec 15, 2021 7:21:45 GMT -8
As far as I can find, water has also never been "authorized or approved for use in preventing or treating" dehydration, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. If we ban all off-label uses for all pharmaceuticals, we will have an entirely worse national health picture. |
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Post by billb on Dec 15, 2021 12:05:18 GMT -8
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Post by billb on Dec 15, 2021 12:28:23 GMT -8
You just KNOW we will see more stories like this one from The Hill: Man whose wife won legal ruling dies one week after receiving ivermectin
Interestingly, the article does not mention if it was the Ivermectin that killed him, or the delay in getting it... maybe they have just not yet figured it out? There is an interesting tag at the end of the article: - Note, it does not say WHAT the misinformation is (whether misinformation that it US or IS not effective); and
- The comment from the FDA is irrelevant: Everyone already knows what it is "approved" for.
- (no one is disputing that: People want to see the FDA promoting the human trials in which not has been shown effective against COVID)
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