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Post by thefrog on Jan 2, 2021 13:47:57 GMT -8
Luca, I suspect that you will now be attacked for not being an expert in epidemiology (I don’t know what type of medicine you specialize in) much akin to my “lack of knowledge” in constitutional law as a corporate lawyer...
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Post by Luca on Jan 2, 2021 15:36:31 GMT -8
If Isaac Newton were a contributor to this board and commented that gravity exerts a pull of 9.81 m/s/s, he'd be asked from whence he draws his expertise on calculus...................Luca
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Post by MDDad on Jan 2, 2021 15:49:23 GMT -8
Trying to cast doubt on the expertise of others is a common tactic of those who have none themselves.
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Post by Bick on Jan 3, 2021 1:30:35 GMT -8
Isn't that the very nature of the "equality" being advocated by the leaders of the left?
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 3, 2021 2:23:07 GMT -8
Trying to cast doubt on the expertise of others is a common tactic of those who have none themselves. That doesn't explain why you do it so often.
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 3, 2021 2:25:59 GMT -8
If Isaac Newton were a contributor to this board and commented that gravity exerts a pull of 9.81 m/s/s, he'd be asked from whence he draws his expertise on calculus...................Luca If Isaac Newton were a contributor to this board and had stated that gravity exerts a pull of 9.81 m/s/s, he'd be asked how he knew about the metric system.
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 3, 2021 2:36:50 GMT -8
First off I didn't respond to your question because I'm not interested in discussing the effect on education of the Covid virus or our response to the virus. Hopefully you understand that people can carry and transmit the Covid virus even if they don't know they are sick no matter how small the chance may be. Again I ask, is it your argument that masks do not lessen the chance of spreading the virus? Are you familiar with Mark Twain's quote about statistics? Yours are fascinating but not relevant to this discussion. Regardless of how small the chance is that you will transmit the disease you should wear a mask because people look up to you for guidance and comfort during this epidemic. Set a good example, please. 1). I don't understand. You are discussing our response to the virus already. That is the topic this thread is now dealing with. I suspect the reason you don't want to also discuss the rationale for shutting down, for example, elementary and high schools is because it is so self evidently weak. Obligatory mask wearing is just the tip of the iceberg of the US overreaction. Many of the initial responses were sensible but were based on overly pessimistic assumptions regarding the virus's mortality rate and infectivity. We now have enough evidence to show that many of the initial responses were ineffective at best and in many cases harmful. But there have been too few appropriate adjustments in the response. This is why, for example, at the coin flip for the Notre Dame/Alabama game yesterday they had only one team captain go out for the coin flip instead of the usual 4 or 5, the justification given being to reduce the risk of transmission of Covid....... symbolic social distancing when they're going to be breathing and leaning all over each other for the next 3 hours, anyway. The semi-comic silliness is, as they say, "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer."2). We both know I understand a lot more about this virus than you ever will. My point, which you have evidently missed, is that some of the current recommendations for mask use - like many of the other recommendations - are unnecessarily restrictive and do little if any good. 3). The same is true of yours versus my understanding of the appropriate use of statistics. The initial restrictive recommendations to reduce Covid spread were based on statistics............ and those statistics were in error. Those are the ones Mark Twain was referring to, not mine. The benefit of wearing masks of dubious effectiveness in all people all the time is demonstrably weak. You seem to be of the opinion that if there is any potential benefit from everybody wearing masks all the time that it should be required. But consider that some 40,000 Americans have died on US roads as a direct result of relaxing speed limits since 1993. (Close to the 52,000 under the age of 65 who have died from Covid). And that number will continue to increase by about 2000 every year. (https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-limit-increases-are-tied-to-37-000-deaths-over-25-years#:~:text=Rising%20speed%20limits%20over%20the,a%20new%20IIHS%20study%20shows.) Therefore - given your reasoning - why should we not reduce all the speed limits back to what they were in 1993?............................Luca 1. I'm not sure what you're discussing but I'm discussing mask wearing...nothing more. I suspect you want to change the subject because your argument against mask wearing is so weak...see what I did there? 2. I understand you know more about the virus which is what makes your attitude about masks so baffling. I don't care how much you don't want to wear a mask, you should do so anyway, even if you find it restrictive. It's such a small thing to complain about it seems very petty and to borrow your words, it seems like a measure that's "intuitively obvious to the most casual observer." Lastly no, I have no problem with the mask mandates or the idea of reducing the speed limit to save lives...the question is why do you have a problem with either idea? ETA: I'm sorry I didn't live up to the low expectations of the idiots in this thread and question your expertise. Maybe next time.
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Post by MDDad on Jan 3, 2021 9:14:27 GMT -8
Obligatory mask wearing is just the tip of the iceberg of the US overreaction. My point, which you have evidently missed, is that some of the current recommendations for mask use - like many of the other recommendations - are unnecessarily restrictive and do little if any good. Luca, you still just don't seem to understand the priorities. It's all about the virtue signalling. Demonstrating your wokeness by wearing a mask is infinitely more important than any actual efficacy gained from doing so.
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Post by Bick on Jan 3, 2021 10:36:05 GMT -8
And let's also ignore the fact the cloth material actually make the aerosols smaller and easier to spread the virus.
Something akin to wearing a condom with holes in them.
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Post by Credo on Jan 3, 2021 18:42:45 GMT -8
Therefore - given your reasoning - why should we not reduce all the speed limits back to what they were in 1993?............................Luca According to this ridiculous argument, we should just reduce the speed limit to 25 mph everywhere and prohibit swimming pools, since these measures will surely save lives lost to auto accidents and drowning.
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Post by Credo on Jan 3, 2021 18:45:58 GMT -8
And let's also ignore the fact the cloth material actually make the aerosols smaller and easier to spread the virus. Something akin to wearing a condom with holes in them. I'm convinced all this mask wearing (outside hospitals) is actually making the COVID situation worse, since by reducing our exposure to all kinds of outside germs and trace amounts of COVID we are weakening our immune systems and making people more susceptible to contracting COVID when exposed to a stronger viral load.
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Post by MDDad on Jan 3, 2021 22:40:11 GMT -8
Therefore - given your reasoning - why should we not reduce all the speed limits back to what they were in 1993?............................Luca According to this ridiculous argument, we should just reduce the speed limit to 25 mph everywhere and prohibit swimming pools, since these measures will surely save lives lost to auto accidents and drowning. If the "even one death is one too many" argument that is used as the rationale for our COVID restrictions, then we should also ban automobiles, motorcycles, bicycles, skateboards, ladders, swimming pools, cigarettes, fatty foods, sweets, alcohol, firearms, sharp knives, ropes and belts, pregnancy and childbirth, surgical procedures, hypodermic needles, gay sex, all narcotics and medicines, plastic bags and plastic wrap, exposure to bright sunshine, cherry tomatoes and Vienna sausages, shellfish, peanuts, Andrew Cuomo and a million other things that have caused the deaths of unsuspecting Americans.
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 4, 2021 3:44:54 GMT -8
And let's also ignore the fact the cloth material actually make the aerosols smaller and easier to spread the virus. Yes, let's ignore that idiotic conclusion. If it makes coronavirus more dangerous why doesn't it do that with any other virus? Are you suggesting that masks should NEVER be used?
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 4, 2021 3:47:05 GMT -8
I see you've all devolved into reductio ad absurdum. Ask Luca.
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Post by vilepagan on Jan 4, 2021 3:48:33 GMT -8
According to this ridiculous argument, we should just reduce the speed limit to 25 mph everywhere and prohibit swimming pools, since these measures will surely save lives lost to auto accidents and drowning. If the "even one death is one too many" argument that is used as the rationale for our COVID restrictions, then we should also ban automobiles...blah blah blah... Why? How will that help stop the spread of Covid?
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