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Post by davidsf on May 12, 2021 5:19:36 GMT -8
Trump is still the leader of the party, despite the swamp's attempts to smear him. He has the support of the people. Yes. A minority of the people. Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections. Trump himself never broke 50% in his presidential approval ratings...a feat not accomplished previously. Congratulations on being in the solid minority. The popular vote is as irrelevant as those who try to assert it means something. But your point is well taken. Even discounting the myriad myths that circulated about his personal behavior, I did not want him as the GOP nominee, but when he was and the democrats propped up Clinton, I cast my "ABC" vote for him mostly because the third-party candidates were no better than Clinton was/is. Once he was elected, I put almost no stock in his claims of Christianity (we've seen countless politicians pander to our group, so I have gotten jaded), but I affirmed and appreciated what he DID as president, even despite some of the missteps. Especially his accomplishments despite the crap the treasonous were throwing at him. |
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Post by davidsf on May 12, 2021 6:03:30 GMT -8
IN my opinion, this is not the right move for the GOP. Her only "sin" was opposing Trump. an inclusive party should be making room for, if not considering dissenting opinions. House GOP boots Liz Cheney from leadership postAs Representative Tom McClintock said (albeit in support of removing Cheney), which they are not doing by disciplining Cheney.
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Post by Bick on May 12, 2021 6:20:29 GMT -8
I believe you hit the nail on the head.
Healthy relationships grounded in integrity invite dissenting opinions that are also grounded in integrity.
Where does that exist?
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Post by davidsf on May 12, 2021 7:26:11 GMT -8
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Healthy relationships grounded in integrity invite dissenting opinions that are also grounded in integrity. Where does that exist? In politics? Nowhere I've seen or heard about. It does exist, albeit as a less-pursued undercurrent, in my church but there are also people there who would shut it down. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 12, 2021 7:27:51 GMT -8
Yes. A minority of the people. Republicans have lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections. Trump himself never broke 50% in his presidential approval ratings...a feat not accomplished previously. Congratulations on being in the solid minority. The popular vote is as irrelevant as those who try to assert it means something. I assert it means a great deal when you're talking about the "support of the people". Trump doesn't have it, and he never did...unless you're talking about having the support of the minority of the people. |
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Post by Bick on May 12, 2021 8:02:42 GMT -8
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Healthy relationships grounded in integrity invite dissenting opinions that are also grounded in integrity. Where does that exist? In politics? Nowhere I've seen or heard about. It does exist, albeit as a less-pursued undercurrent, in my church but there are also people there who would shut it down. It used to exist a few hundred years ago here. |
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Post by davidsf on May 12, 2021 10:16:42 GMT -8
In politics? Nowhere I've seen or heard about. It does exist, albeit as a less-pursued undercurrent, in my church but there are also people there who would shut it down. It used to exist a few hundred years ago here. in Biblical times, men would gather at the gates of the city to discuss and argue the issues of the day. |
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Post by ProfessorFate on May 12, 2021 21:37:33 GMT -8
IN my opinion, this is not the right move for the GOP. Her only "sin" was opposing Trump. an inclusive party should be making room for, if not considering dissenting opinions. House GOP boots Liz Cheney from leadership postAs Representative Tom McClintock said (albeit in support of removing Cheney), which they are not doing by disciplining Cheney.
I disagree. Her duties: I sure don't see how she can perform those duties if in every meeting, every discussion, and every interview, she is bad mouthing Trump, and/or the GOP members who disagree with her about him. She was twisting any and all subject matter into a chance to change the subject...into a totally unrelated rant against Trump and those who support still support him. She's entitled to her opinion, but not as a spokesperson for the entire House GOP membership. |
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Post by davidsf on May 13, 2021 4:58:47 GMT -8
IN my opinion, this is not the right move for the GOP. Her only "sin" was opposing Trump. an inclusive party should be making room for, if not considering dissenting opinions. House GOP boots Liz Cheney from leadership postAs Representative Tom McClintock said (albeit in support of removing Cheney), which they are not doing by disciplining Cheney.
I disagree. Her duties: I sure don't see how she can perform those duties if in every meeting, every discussion, and every interview, she is bad mouthing Trump, and/or the GOP members who disagree with her about him. She was twisting any and all subject matter into a chance to change the subject...into a totally unrelated rant against Trump and those who support still support him. She's entitled to her opinion, but not as a spokesperson for the entire House GOP membership. So you discipline her, sit her down and explain how she's dividing the party and knock it off... or something less apt to get Nancy Pelosi to say how courageous and brave she is. Again, just my opinion. The GOP needs to draw diverse opinions in, not appear to be exorcising them... although, you are right about the frequency of her anti-trump rhetoric being too much. |
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Post by davidsf on May 13, 2021 5:35:21 GMT -8
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Healthy relationships grounded in integrity invite dissenting opinions that are also grounded in integrity. Where does that exist? "But where can wisdom be found? Where does understanding dwell? No mortal comprehends its worth; it cannot be found in the land of the living." -Job, as cited in The Book of Job, Chapter 28, Verses 12-13 |
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Post by ProfessorFate on May 13, 2021 17:53:15 GMT -8
I disagree. Her duties: I sure don't see how she can perform those duties if in every meeting, every discussion, and every interview, she is bad mouthing Trump, and/or the GOP members who disagree with her about him. She was twisting any and all subject matter into a chance to change the subject...into a totally unrelated rant against Trump and those who support still support him. She's entitled to her opinion, but not as a spokesperson for the entire House GOP membership. or something less apt to get Nancy Pelosi to say how courageous and brave she is. Again, just my opinion. The GOP needs to draw diverse opinions in, not appear to be exorcising them... although, you are right about the frequency of her anti-trump rhetoric being too much. She also seems to be unwilling to admit that those who DO think the election was stolen, are entitled to their opinion too. |
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Post by vilepagan on May 14, 2021 2:27:02 GMT -8
She also seems to be unwilling to admit that those who DO think the election was stolen, are entitled to their opinion too. You're entitled to believe in any nonsense you wish to believe, but you're not entitled to lie to others or suggest that whether the election was stolen or not is a matter of opinion. You have no facts to support your claim that the election was stolen. I have a lot of facts that support the claim that the election was not stolen. It's just a matter of deciding whether you think facts or opinions are more useful in deciding a question like this one. |
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Post by davidsf on May 14, 2021 4:04:49 GMT -8
So you discipline her, sit her down and explain how she's dividing the party and knock it off... or something less apt to get Nancy Pelosi to say how courageous and brave she is. Again, just my opinion. The GOP needs to draw diverse opinions in, not appear to be exorcising them... although, you are right about the frequency of her anti-trump rhetoric being too much. She also seems to be unwilling to admit that those who DO think the election was stolen, are entitled to their opinion too. You make a good point. Since posting that, I've read other articles that suggest they probably have tried other means. |
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Post by MDDad on May 14, 2021 6:23:00 GMT -8
You have no facts to support your claim that the election was stolen. I have a lot of facts that support the claim that the election was not stolen. This applies even moreso to the 2016 election, when your side insisted for four years that the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton, spent millions of dollars trying to prove it, and came up with nothing. Your side invented and perfected that fantasy, so thanks for the trip down memory lane. |
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Post by davidsf on May 14, 2021 7:32:09 GMT -8
I believe the Maricopa County recount will bear out the accusation that voter and election fraud played a key role in Biden's win.
Even without that, I do not understand how any sentient adult can look at the numbers of votes Biden got, without even campaigning, realize they exceeded even Obama's re-election (when he was running against the uninteresting Romney) numbers and not assume something irregular was afoot.
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