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Post by billb on Aug 12, 2021 19:06:19 GMT -8
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Post by Bick on Aug 12, 2021 19:07:01 GMT -8
Well frog, at least you're in good company with the Atlantic
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Post by Bick on Aug 12, 2021 19:12:35 GMT -8
I think this is consistent with what Dr Malone is saying regarding ADE. It could be ADE. I have heard other theories too, which are worse. ADE is a real phenomena and responsible for the shutdown of other vaccines in the past. Pfizer and Moderna are completely new types of vaccines, not used on humans before. Despite the study out of Massachusetts the administration is doubling down and their program. In my family, those who were vaccinated go really sick over the past month while those not vaccinated didn't get sick. It could be totally unrelated to the vaccine. But maybe not. If my understanding is correct, THIS is the reason not a single coronavirus vaccine could get APPROVED in the past 20+ years...could not get past animal studies because of what I think now is being identified as ADE. |
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Post by thefrog on Aug 12, 2021 19:13:02 GMT -8
That’s nice and all Bill, but Wikipedia is an open-source database. Taken directly from help:editing - |
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Post by thefrog on Aug 12, 2021 19:27:34 GMT -8
Is there anything specific he's saying you disagree with? Frankly, I don't trust anyone [still] associated with Steve Bannon |
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Post by billb on Aug 12, 2021 19:57:39 GMT -8
I used to edit Wikipedia and have an account with them. There was a Mike Pompeo article full of propaganda recently. I was considering editing it out, but didn't. Since then I saw an interview with one of the founders of Wikipedia. He is disheartened in the biased direction it has taken. He is no longer with them, but there are main editors that can override anyone. Those are the ones writing history now. BTW, the reason I didn't edit the article: I am afraid. The militants out there have no ethics. |
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Post by Bick on Aug 12, 2021 20:48:18 GMT -8
Is there anything specific he's saying you disagree with? Frankly, I don't trust anyone [still] associated with Steve Bannon It was Bannon who gave him a platform after he was censored on YouTube. So you trust Fauci & Biden? |
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Post by thefrog on Aug 12, 2021 21:11:10 GMT -8
Frankly, I don't trust anyone [still] associated with Steve Bannon It was Bannon who gave him a platform after he was censored on YouTube. So you trust Fauci & Biden? I trust the medical collective, not single individuals. |
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Post by thefrog on Aug 12, 2021 21:43:09 GMT -8
I’m not wholly dismissing his claims, but I am leaning away from him…
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Post by billb on Aug 13, 2021 1:22:59 GMT -8
Frog, there is so much misinformation out there - on both sides. I understand where you are coming from. Malone and many others became vocal when the government suggested vaccinating children. The youngest person to die in Australia from COVID is 27. It, like most influenzas, harms the elderly the most. I agree with Malone and others: Don't vaccinate anyone under 18. My sister told me a customer at her work told her her friend's daughter, only 19, had a stroke after taking the Pfizer vaccine. IMO, no one under 35 should take the vaccine, but it should be barred from Children. Too risky.
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2021 2:33:06 GMT -8
Is there anything specific he's saying you disagree with? Frankly, I don't trust anyone [still] associated with Steve Bannon You mean the pardoned fraudster Steve Bannon? I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't trust such a stand-up guy. Kudos Frog, you do have some sense after all. |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2021 2:34:39 GMT -8
BTW, the reason I didn't edit the article: I am afraid. The militants out there have no ethics. ROFL. You can't be too careful with those militants over at Wikipedia. Too funny. |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2021 2:40:34 GMT -8
Frankly, I don't trust anyone [still] associated with Steve Bannon It was Bannon who gave him a platform after he was censored on YouTube. So you trust Fauci & Biden? Does giving him a platform make Bannon a good guy? You do know he allegedly defrauded people out of money they donated to "build the wall" right? A little bit about what a great guy he is... In August 2020, Bannon and three others were arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering in connection to the We Build the Wall campaign. The defendants allegedly enriched themselves, despite promising that all contributions would go to building a wall. Bannon pleaded not guilty and was pardoned by Trump before his trial date.
In November 2020, Bannon's Twitter account was permanently suspended after he suggested that top government infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray should be beheaded.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_BannonYou don't trust Fauci more than this guy? |
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Post by vilepagan on Aug 13, 2021 2:47:31 GMT -8
My sister told me a customer at her work told her her friend's daughter, only 19, had a stroke after taking the Pfizer vaccine. IMO, no one under 35 should take the vaccine, but it should be barred from Children. Too risky. And exactly what are your medical credentials? Is there any reason for anyone to assume your "opinion" about Covid is more valuable than say the opinion of their hairdresser or plumber? Do you really put a lot of stock in something that was claimed by your sister's customer's friend's daughter...are you kidding? |
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Post by SK80 on Aug 13, 2021 3:22:41 GMT -8
Here is a good long read on ADE, its not an easy read unless you really have a PHD, but wading through yet another honest layout of the present Covid situation in regards to vaccines, without a doubt in my mind there are some serious questions we still are yet to be able to answer. Thus reasons why this entire mRNA shot campaign is fraudulent, its beyond apparent we just do not know enough, have enough long term data (Thus no FDA approval) to stand behind the mandated notion being discussed you MUST vaccinate.
This article is from FALL 2020 but the contents here are now just getting some traction in the public square.
Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5ConclusionADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology. Steps to reduce the risks of ADE from immunotherapies include the induction or delivery of high doses of potent neutralizing antibodies, rather than lower concentrations of non-neutralizing antibodies that would be more likely to cause ADE.Going forwards, it will be crucial to evaluate animal and clinical datasets for signs of ADE, and to balance ADE-related safety risks against intervention efficacy if clinical ADE is observed. Ongoing animal and human clinical studies will provide important insights into the mechanisms of ADE in COVID-19. Such evidence is sorely needed to ensure product safety in the large-scale medical interventions that are likely required to reduce the global burden of COVID-19.
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