MDDad
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Post by MDDad on Jul 17, 2024 8:25:38 GMT -8
I am going w/ I trust Trump on this pick becuz with everything we have seen that past 8 years he has been more RIGHT than WRONG. I support the selection of Vance, but I disagree with your statement. I think in his four years as president, Trump had more of his appointments quit or get fired than probably any other president in modern times. His staff was always in a state of transition, and he has yet to prove that he is adept at identifying and retaining competent subordinates. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 17, 2024 8:31:11 GMT -8
I cannot see any connection between the assassination attempt and the decision to stay with Biden. I would like to have seen a viable alternative. I'm missing something here. Does anybody have any ideas why? I don't think staying with Biden (so far) is as much a decision as a lack of other viable options. Kamala Harris is a worse candidate than Biden, but choosing another candidate over a black female vice president would splinter and blow up the party for quite some time. It's unlikely than any Democrat would beat Trump right now, but it's more palatable and less divisive to have her assume the presidency if Biden wins in November and then resigns or dies, than it is to have her run on her own now and get destroyed. |
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Post by RSM789 on Jul 17, 2024 9:38:08 GMT -8
I am going w/ I trust Trump on this pick becuz with everything we have seen that past 8 years he has been more RIGHT than WRONG. ... he has yet to prove that he is adept at identifying and retaining competent subordinates. I think that is a blanket statement that mis-identifies what actually was happening. Politics differs from business in that in the latter, your competitor won't have hundreds of their shills working for your company. The departure of so many people was due to Trumps willingness to fire people who were incompetent or not on board with the administration's agenda. When you look at the raw numbers of people that needed to be replaced, it was overwhelming by business standards. However, those are not the standards that need to be used. Compare & contrast that to Biden, who fires no one. No matter how incompetent, they keep their job. There is a reason why Trump achieved so much more success than Biden has & a good portion of that can be chalked up to the process of weeding through incompetent & disruptive people. Trump does it & creates a certain environment while Biden doesn't & creates a different environment. |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 17, 2024 9:55:45 GMT -8
Biden refuses to fire people who should be fired at best, and imprisoned at worst. That is unforgivable, but I've come to the point where I wonder if he even decides who should or shouldn't be fired, or if the whole damn show is run by the puppet mongers behind the curtain.
Trump hired people that soon quit or had to be fired. That is an indictment of his ability to pick the right people. Granted, that may be because his past experience was in business, and business selection criteria are not the same as political ones. Maybe he picked the wrong people, or maybe he picked goods ones who soon quit because they found he's a dick to work with. Either way, his batting average is what it is.
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Post by billb on Jul 17, 2024 10:24:10 GMT -8
I don't understand why the consensus in the Democratic Party - following the assassination attempt on Donald Trump as well as the collapse of a few of these dubious lawsuits - now appears to be that there will be no further efforts to get Biden off the Democratic ticket. Trump has had a significant boost because of the recent developments and I would think that would increase their motivation to replace a candidate who in contrast is challenged to complete a sentence, let alone make it coherent. I have never been a Donald Trump enthusiast but if forced to choose between him and a candidate bordering on outright dementia I'll likely vote for Trump this time. I cannot see any connection between the assassination attempt and the decision to stay with Biden. I would like to have seen a viable alternative. I'm missing something here. Does anybody have any ideas why? It is my understanding they are giving up on the Presidential race, it is unlikely anyone will beat Trump, and just focusing on the Senate. |
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Post by billb on Jul 17, 2024 10:40:40 GMT -8
Vance made horrendous statements about Trump in the past - the American Hitler - as one of them. But Vance did come around and understand his thinking. I am not sure Vance would have been my first choice, but I just hope for the best. I think there will be more assassination attempts. There is just too much money at stake.
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Post by tarmac on Jul 17, 2024 13:34:17 GMT -8
The DNC postponed their online roll call convention vote to nominate Joe Biden as their candidate for President.
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Post by tarmac on Jul 17, 2024 14:11:49 GMT -8
Hillary will run.
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Post by Luca on Jul 17, 2024 15:01:30 GMT -8
I don't think staying with Biden (so far) is as much a decision as a lack of other viable options. Kamala Harris is a worse candidate than Biden, but choosing another candidate over a black female vice president would splinter and blow up the party for quite some time. It's unlikely than any Democrat would beat Trump right now, but it's more palatable and less divisive to have her assume the presidency if Biden wins in November and then resigns or dies, than it is to have her run on her own now and get destroyed. That makes pretty good sense, in a sadly pathetic way. How morbidly ironic is it that a political party that makes a living exploiting tribalism, wokeness, political correctness, moral arrogance, condescension and racial politics, etc, now finds that out of spite they have maneuvered themselves into such a political corner that they can't even replace an increasingly frail and intellectually compromised candidate who looks ever more likely to lose........and take the party with him? Because they would then fall victim to their own twisted political philosophy. It's hysterical, in a karma kinda way. Were Hamlet here he would say: "Let it work,
For 'tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petard; and 't shall go hard" |
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Post by MDDad on Jul 17, 2024 15:24:57 GMT -8
I don't think staying with Biden (so far) is as much a decision as a lack of other viable options. Kamala Harris is a worse candidate than Biden, but choosing another candidate over a black female vice president would splinter and blow up the party for quite some time. It's unlikely than any Democrat would beat Trump right now, but it's more palatable and less divisive to have her assume the presidency if Biden wins in November and then resigns or dies, than it is to have her run on her own now and get destroyed. How morbidly ironic is it that a political party that makes a living exploiting tribalism, wokeness, political correctness, moral arrogance, condescension and racial politics, etc, now finds that out of spite they have maneuvered themselves into such a political corner that they can't even replace an increasingly frail and intellectually compromised candidate who looks ever more likely to lose........and take the party with him? Because they would then fall victim to their own twisted political philosophy. It's hysterical, in a karma kinda way. It's kind of an amusing conundrum they find themselves in, isn't it? I suppose when you rabidly insist that racial, ethnic and gender qualities are much more important than merit and accomplishment, you can't be surprised when the worst of the worst eventually rises to the top and you're left with a tough Sophie's choice of what to do next. God, I just feel so bad for the Dems! |
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Post by SK80 on Jul 18, 2024 4:37:05 GMT -8
This is an epic meltdown of grandiose proportion by the Democrats, Democrat Party and DNC. Who woulda thunk not long ago the Republican Party, their candidates and the RNC would be running on 12 cylinders like a fine tuned Lamborghini while the opposition is strapped into a 4 cylinder misfiring Yugo!  |
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Post by tarmac on Jul 18, 2024 6:50:34 GMT -8
This split in the Democrat party is growing. The leaders want Joe out. The voters want him to stay. Big money want Joe out.
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Post by SK80 on Jul 18, 2024 7:21:40 GMT -8
This split in the Democrat party is growing. The leaders what Joe out. The voters want him to stay. Big money want Joe out.
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Post by billb on Jul 18, 2024 9:26:31 GMT -8
I can't wait to see the Democrat convention. "Yah, Joe Biden.... Yay" The excitement will be real because they will know he is the man to save the nation. He has a plan. LOL
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Post by billb on Jul 18, 2024 9:34:07 GMT -8
Will they chant "USA, USA..." at the Democrat convention?
I hear Hunter will take the stage to describe what a great guy his dad is.
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